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2010-06-15T18:57:00.001+02:00

ATTENZIONE: Le centinaia di battute copiate da Luttazzi sono riportate qui.

Il video-inchiesta "Il meglio [NON è] di Daniele Luttazzi" (non realizzato da me) sulla questione e che mostra una piccola parte dei plagi di Luttazzi a confronto cogli originali è scaricabile da torrent:
http://www.torrenthound.com/torrent/a3b789f78851bd9b77134311db5d8b5ac2554775
Oppure sul sito de L'Unità. Ma lo trovate anche altrove in rete.

Questo brevissimo post serve per orientarsi nel molto materiale accumulato a partire dal Gennaio 2008, data di apertura di questo blog. Il primo post risale proprio a quel mese. Non ritengo abbia più una validità di contenuto, ma offre una cronologia degli eventi.

Il post "Censura, bugie e videotape", scritto il 31 Maggio 2010, affronta diversi aspetti sgradevoli di questa vicenda.

Il commento all'intervista a Luttazzi comparsa su Il Fatto in data 12/06/2010.

Vi sono, inoltre, alcuni post più brevi che riguardano altri aspetti: la "caccia al tesoro", le testimonianze di alcuni utenti del blog, uno scambio di email avvenuto nel 2006 e Giulietta (quest'ultimo va letto, riassumerlo in due parole non vale la pena).

E ovviamente le reazioni dagli USA, come la risposta di Bill Scheft ad un'esternazione di Luttazzi.

Infine, al tempo avevo tradotto il primo post in inglese per dare l'opportunità a comici come Emo Philips, col quale ho avuto uno scambio di email, di farsi un'idea. Anche lo scambio di email del 2006 è stato tradotto.

Letterman lo ha copiato? No.

2010-06-14T20:52:00.009+02:00

Il 14 Dicembre 2007 Luttazzi scrive sul suo blog:

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Tre anni fa, nel mio “Bollito misto” dicevo questa battuta:

“Al Qaeda ha rivendicato la messa in onda di Domenica in”.

Segue uno scambio amichevole di e-mail con Bill Scheft, headwriter del Letterman. E il 13 giugno di quest’anno ecco Letterman riproporre la mia battuta, adattata alla notizia del giorno:

"This just in: al Qaeda is claiming credit for the vague ending of 'The Sopranos.”

Letterman mi ha copiato? No. Ha eseguito la sua variazione sul tema. E’ l’arte della commedia.
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Il link nel blog di Luttazzi era questo:
http://danieleluttazzi.it/node/326
Nel blog di Luttazzi il post non è più disponibile. Tuttavia, oltre a essere stato incollato in diversi forum al tempo (basta fare una ricerca con google), ve n'è una copia al di là di ogni sospetto sul sito di Franca Rame:

http://www.francarame.it/node/656#comment-15133

L'utente Fabio (vuole rimanere anonimo) ha voluto approfondire, anche perché nella lettera a "L'Espresso" Luttazzi scrive le stesse cose, ma omettendo il carteggio con Scheft (http://akunamatata.blog.espresso.repubblica.it/akuna_matata/2007/12/leggere-per-god.html).

Così, Fabio ha scritto a Scheft in proposito e Scheft ha risposto sul suo stesso blog:

http://billscheft.tumblr.com/post/695985469/just-when-i-think-i-have-nothing-post-able

Scrive:

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Five points:

1) I am not and have never been the head writer of the Letterman show. If I was, we would be having this exchange from a locked ward.

2) I have never heard of or corresponded with Daniele Luttazzi. I would have remembered it, given that Luttazzi is my middle name.

3) I have never heard of the show “Bollito Misto” or “Domenica In” although I’m sure they’re both fabulous.

4) I did not write the joke he heard Dave do that night. I believe that joke was written by Mullholland and Barrie, who I’m sure Daniele also had a friendly email exchange with.

5) Setting up a punchline with the phrase “Al Qaeda is claiming credit for….” has been careening around the jokewriting universe since September 12, 2001. Before that, it was ”The PLO is claiming credit for….” or “The Black September Group is claiming credit for…” or “The Simbanese Liberation Army is claiming credit for….” I wrote a joke 16 years ago Thanksgiving that “President Clinton ate so much stuffing his stomach exploded, and five terrorists groups claimed credit.” Do I owe somebody some money?The fact that Daniele is claiming credit for the “claiming credit” formula is beyond ironic, and an affront to the rest of us named Luttazzi. Hope this clears things up.Please say hi to Emo, who my wife, the comedian Adrianne Tolsch, helped get on the Letterman show 26 years ago. One of the original sweet, funny guys.

Bill

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Quindi quando Luttazzi chiede "Letterman mi ha copiato?", la risposta è "No, per niente". Altra balla quindi. Scheft nemmeno lo conosce Luttazzi, non è headwriter di Letterman (a quanto pare Luttazzi non lo sapeva questo) e la battuta è vecchia.

Resistenza ad oltranza: l'intervista su Il Fatto

2010-06-12T00:58:00.015+02:00

ATTENZIONE: Le centinaia di battute copiate da Luttazzi sono riportate qui.

Il video inchiesta (non realizzato da me) sulla questione e che mostra una piccola parte dei plagi di Luttazzi a confronto cogli originali è scaricabile da torrent:
http://www.torrenthound.com/torrent/a3b789f78851bd9b77134311db5d8b5ac2554775

Nota a posteriori: Il seguente articolo è stato scritto all'una di notte a caldo e non intende in nessuna maniera sminuire il lavoro dei giornalisti che lavorano a Il Fatto compreso quello dell'intervistatore. Lo dico perché leggendo l'articolo si potrebbero trarre conclusioni sbagliate.

Mi sono veramente stancato di questa storia. Avrei voluto trovare uno sbocco di sobrietà ed invece non c'è niente da fare.

Qualcuno fermi Luttazzi, non solo per il suo bene, sta facendo dei danni che vanno ben al di là della satira!

Cosa è successo? Un giornalista de Il Fatto ha intervistato Luttazzi senza essere a conoscenza dei dati. È gravissimo perché Il Fatto è un giornale troppo importante per offrire il fianco e scivolare su una questione così stupida con tutte le emergenze che ci sono in Italia.

Ma vi rendete conto che giornali negli Stati Uniti stanno per scrivere di questo caso?

Di seguito l'intervista a Luttazzi commentata punto per punto (i miei commenti in verde).

Accetta di rispondere?
A tutto.

Perché finora ha taciuto?
Nessun giornale mi ha chiesto davvero che cosa è successo.

Diciamo, invece, che l'Unità gliel'ha chiesto, ma non nel modo che sarebbe piaciuto a lui.

E il suo pubblico? Ci sono centinaia di messaggi sui blog...
Ho risposto a tutti di persona, come sempre.

Luttazzi allora... copia?
È vero, lo dico da anni, e lo faccio apposta, per motivi precisi. Non ho mai nascosto nulla. Dov’è la notizia?

E le email contenenti bugie? L'articolo dove diceva che in Satyricon tutto le battute erano originali? Peraltro, anche documentato nel video. Nemmeno il video è stato visionato da questo giornalista.

L'accusa è pesante... c'è chi si è preso la briga di contare: 500 battute che sarebbero copiate, il trenta per cento del repertorio?
Esagerato! Sono molte di meno, di mie ne ho scritte a migliaia. Ma i numeri, usati a fini di scalpore, sono irrilevanti: nessuna battuta di quelle che cito è plagio, sia perché invito a scoprirle (non è plagio se è dichiarato, è un gioco intellettuale), sia perché si tratta di calchi o di riscritture con variazioni e aggiunte, procedimenti legittimi. Buona parte del repertorio di David Letterman, ad esempio, si fonda su calchi di vecchie battute di Johnny Carson , aggiornate alla bisogna. E l’aggiornamento di una battuta generica (calco) è già un potenziamento, amplificato dall’inevitabile allusione al precedente. È l’arte del comico.

Le battute sono circa 250-260 al momento. Alcune però sono monologhi di 10 minuti, come il pezzo dei dinosauri di Izzard. Se ne aggiungono ogni settimana almeno 8-10. Basta contarle nel repository, eh.
Sono tutti plagi. E anche questo per confermarlo basta fare una comparazione dei testi.
La caccia al tesoro (e 2000 volte che lo ripeto) non è una formula magica per plagiare a tutto spiano.

Calco... potenziamento. I suoi fan si convinceranno?
Io voglio chiarire tutto. Ma l'attacco diffamatorio è massiccio, quindi voglio descrivere in modo preciso, tecnico il mio lavoro.

Facciamo un esempio. Mitch Hedberg ha scritto: “I don't wear a watch because I want my arms to weigh the same”. E lei: “In realtà non porto l'orologio perché voglio che le mie braccia pesino uguale”. Molto simili, non le pare?
Ripeto, chi mi accusa dice cose che io già ho svelato da anni. Andatevi a vedere il mio blog. È il gioco della Caccia al Tesoro di cui parlavo nel 2005: dissemino qua e là indizi e citazioni di comici famosi, e i fan devono scoprirli. È un escamotage nato come esigenza legale dopo il processo Tamaro: il pretesto delle querele miliardarie, infatti, è che la mia non è satira, ma volgarità e insulto. Facevano così anche contro Lenny Bruce. E Bruce, per difendersi, cominciò a inserire nei suoi monologhi brani di autori satirici famosi. Vinse così alcuni processi dimostrando che il brano tanto volgare di cui lo accusavano, in realtà era di Aristofane! In questo modo, semplice ma geniale, si dimostra che non sanno distinguere la volgarità dalla satira.

Il processo Tamaro è per plagio, non volgarità!
Ha cominciato a plagiare molto prima del 1996. Ma che cazzo di scusa è? Dov'è la seconda domanda? Bruce non ha mai plagiato altri comici e Luttazzi ha iniziato a plagiare prima di qualsiasi processo. Plagiava per vincere cause in futuro? Guardate che qui non si parla di aver citato Aristofane o Rabelais che sono in libreria, ma di aver plagiato comici sconosciuti in Italia (e alcuni anche poco conosciuti in USA).
Come la battuta di Hedberg serva per cause legali, poi, lo sa solo Luttazzi e il giornalista non è curioso.

In prima fila tra gli accusatori ci sono i giornali di destra...
Il Giornale mi accusava di usare battute volgari. Quando si è accorto che erano di famosi satirici americani... invece di ammettere ‘Ooops, è vero, siamo incompetenti, quella era satira, non volgarità’, ha rigirato la frittata: ‘Guardate: Luttazzi copia!’.

Ma che dice il giornalista? In prima fila ci sono stati l'Unità e Repubblica. La domanda è proprio tecnicamente falsa.

Però anche i suoi fan si sentono traditi...
A me non diverte far ridere con battute altrui, quelle che cito (celeberrime, e di autori di cui parlo sempre nei miei libri e nelle interviste) le uso per i miei esperimenti sulla comicità: le modifiche che apporto possono sembrare irrilevanti a chi non è pratico, ma per un comico sono sostanziali, se potenziano l'efficacia della battuta. L’attacco diffamatorio contro di me, però, è maldestro, soprattutto dal punto di vista tecnico: si tratta di qualcuno che non conosce i fondamenti della semiotica, e della comunicazione comica in particolare.

Ma che sta dicendo? Io come altri collaboratori di questo blog abbiamo pure studiato approfonditamente alcuni argomenti da lui citati. Bello ergersi a intellettuale massimo che non può essere compreso da nessuno.

Aiuto... la semiotica, non può essere più semplice?
No, voglio rispondere in modo approfondito agli attacchi. Prendiamo ad esempio una battuta del comico americano George Carlin, quella sulla falena....

Anche se fosse un artificio retorico del giornalista, sarebbe offensivo per la nostra intelligenza. E se invece davvero non sapesse cosa significhi "semiotica", allora dovrebbe cambiare mestiere. Ma quanto in basso deve scendere il livello culturale in Italia?

Ecco la battuta: “Come fai a capire che una falena scoreggia? Improvvisamente vola dritto”... Lei, è l'accusa, si è limitato a sostituire la falena con una mosca...
Estrapolare battute da un testo dicendo “Sono simili, quindi è plagio” è una solenne baggianata. Primo, perché non esiste messaggio senza contesto. Il contesto guida l’interpretazione, sia inducendo attese che renderanno la battuta più o meno sorprendente, sia aggiungendo significati altri che permettono risate aggiuntive. La battuta di Carlin, citata da me, serve da antitesi come esempio di battuta che la tv trasmetterebbe tranquillamente, a differenza della satira politica del resto del monologo. Nuova risata. Secondo, perché quello che fa scattare la risata non è tanto il contenuto della battuta, come si crede ingenuamente, ma la tecnica. Infatti quando un giornalista fa la parafrasi di una battuta, la risata non scatta. Ogni modifica tecnica, anche minima, può quindi migliorare una battuta. Ecco perché, se sai che il suono “k” è particolarmente comico (come spiega Neil Simon: “Cocomero fa ridere. Pomodoro non fa ridere” ) ti basta sostituire “mosca” a “falena” per potenziare di gran lunga l’effetto”. Terzo, perché il testo di una battuta è solo uno dei tre elementi che la caratterizzano come joke.

Quindi, quando ha detto la battuta già sapeva che Bonolis gliel'avrebbe plagiata, dimostrando la sua tesi di cosa si può dire e cosa no in TV. Perfetto, ha anche il dono della chiaroveggenza.
La sostituzione di "falena" in "mosca" è scandalosa. Ma il giornalista è conscio che "falena" in inglese si dice "moth" e che "mosca" è "fly" e che quindi "mosca" ha quasi lo stesso suono di "moth"?
Oltretutto, le mosche volano dritte, sono proprio le farfalle a svolazzare a zig-zag.
Inoltre, se il giornalista si fosse degnato di guardare il video, avrebbe notato quanto le battute siano peggiorate rispetto agli originali. Non è strano, chi scrive una battuta la fa sua, la interpreta, la vive.

Semiotica, joke, scusi ma ci stiamo perdendo...
Perdonate i tecnicismi... ma sono necessari. Una battuta è un micro-racconto, e quindi vanno considerati anche funzione comica e ruoli attanziali.

Ma quali tecnicismi, ma che è questa intervista alla Bruno Vespa?! Manca solo di firmare un bel contratto cogli italiani.

Attanziali... alzo bandiera bianca. Non so se i suoi fan volevano una lezione di semiotica...
Se si considera che le variazioni possono vertere inoltre su ampiezza degli scarti (basta sostituire una parola che attivi isotopie più distanti e l’effetto comico aumenta), sulle figure delle sostanze dell’espressione, sulle figure delle forme dell’espressione, sulle figure della forma del contenuto (nuclei, indizi, informanti:luoghi, oggetti, gesti), sulle figure del tempo, sugli orientamenti semantici del testo eccetera, si capirà perché è più semplice dire ‘Luttazzi copia!’. Un po’ di competenza però non guasterebbe, per diffamazioni così pesanti.

A parte che moltissime battute sono riprese pari pari, e stanno 1:1 con l'originale, ma poi chiunque è capace di prendere delle battute e farvi sopra delle modifiche. No chiunque no, ma chiunque sia un minimo portato.

Sarò più terra terra: c'è chi l’accusa di aver taroccato i messaggi Internet, di averli retrodatati per nascondere il plagio...
Vent’anni fa, Internet non c’era. I fan mi scrivevano nella redazione dei programmi, io ne parlavo nelle interviste.

Ah, buffo che poi nel 2006 e nel 2007 invece menta per email e abbia pure mentito a proposito delle battute di Satyricon. Inoltre, anche la battuta della mosca, perché non ha detto "Bonolis me l'ha copiata, tra l'altro non è nemmeno mia, ma di Carlin!". Troppo complesso, no?

Ma quei ritocchi ai messaggi Internet?
Non me ne intendo di queste cose. Un esperto di computer mi dice che questo taroccamento non si poteva fare.

Questa risposta non significa nulla, perché se intende che:
a) non si può fare perché si vien beccati, allora sì, infatti è stato beccato
b) se intende che non ci si può nemmeno provare, è offensivo verso anche il più cerebroleso dei navigatori web. È ovvio che si può apporre qualsiasi data a un post del proprio blog e rimaneggiarla e modificarne il contenuto.
Ovviamente, nessuna seconda domanda.

Peraltro, ieri un utente (beppe) ha pubblicato il seguente link su questo blog:
http://puntofisso.net/techblog/?p=168
Il link riporta presunte imprecisioni nell'uso di web.archive per confermare la retrodatazione. Se ne è discusso qua sul blog con l'utente e ho fatto notare che nel mio articolo nessuna data di indexing era stata usata per datare i post. Figuriamoci se vado ad affidarmi all'indexing. Inoltre, l'articolo dell'utente esordisce colla frase:
"Non lo nascondero’, fino a ieri mattina “ero” un fan di Daniele Luttazzi.
Dopo aver letto le notizie sull’eventuale “plagio” sono diventato un ex fan deluso."

A Luttazzi non importa la frase nel blog, né si è preso la briga di leggere i commenti in questo blog che già precisavano che nessuna imprecisione tecnica era stata commessa dall'articolo, il giorno dopo pubblica la seguente affermazione con link al blog dell'utente:

Un blogger esperto sbugiarda l'asso nella manica dei diffamatori: la retrodatazione dei post sulla Caccia al Tesoro. (link)

Non solo. A Luttazzi questa cosa pare tanto importante che manda subito il link a Francesca Fornario dell'Unità che gli risponde:

<< Daniele mi ha scritto raccomandandomi di leggere il link. gli ho risposto. Così:

Caro Daniele, leggilo tu. I commenti spiegano quello che io stessa avevo verificato: i post sono stati alterati per avvalorare la tesi della caccia. Imagino che gli informatici smanettoni si divertiranno ad aggiungere prove su prove come hanno già fatto sul blog - non sul tuo, dato che non pubblichi i loro commenti - ma non me ne rallegro affatto né mi interessa, perché come ti ho scritto trovo ridicola la scusa della caccia al tesoro a prescindere da quando l'hai tirata fuori ("Si ho copiato, ma lo avevo detto". Cosa vuoi, la prescrizione?). Come ti ho scritto, trovo mortificante a prescindere l'ipocrisia di accusare Bonolis di averti copiato una battuta che tu stesso avevi capiato (peggiorandola, secondo me. Ehi, non puoi mica darti i voti da solo come fa Berlusconi: "Sono il miglior presidente degli ultimi 150 anni". "Chi lo ha detto?". "Io"), trovo deprimente l'aver dichiarato che non ti saresti divertito a recitare una battuta scritta da altri per poi farlo a manetta, e aver plagiato quintali di gag senza mai citare la fonte e pagare i diritti, sfruttando cinicamente la posizione l'artista perseguitato ("ehi, sono costretto a copiare, così posso difendermi"). Infine, mi avvilisce che tu abbia censurato il video che provava la copiatura a tuo dire leggittima, proprio tu che sei stato vittima di una così insopportabile censura. Se mi hai mandato questo link che non prova niente perché vuoi continuare il dibattito sul sito dell'Unità lo pubblico volentieri. Se invece me lo hai mandato per riconquistare la mia stima, la mia e quella dei fan delusi, allora avrei preferito una giustificazione accettabile. ti abbraccio.
Francesca >>

Come giustamente fa notare Francesca, in verità, non ha molta importanza quando i post sono stati scritti. Diventa importante perché nega l'evidenza. Ci sono altre prove sulla retrodatazione. Vediamo se sarò costretto a fornirle tutte, come se quelle già presentate non fossero sufficienti.

Siccome nel blog dell'utente arrivano precisazioni riguardo all'esattezza dell'articolo in questo blog, tempo due ore e la frase e il link scompaiono dal blog di Luttazzi.

Ritorniamo all'intervista.

Certo un bel paradosso... non era proprio lei che aveva criticato Grillo perché avrebbe ricalcato una sua battuta...
Quella su Wojtyla dai terremotati. Il rimprovero non è mai perché te le rubano... lo fanno di continuo, in pratica è come se dalla tv non me ne fossi mai andato. È perché te le “bruciano”. Se io ho una battuta in repertorio e un comico molto più famoso la dice prima che io l’abbia detta in tv, quella battuta non posso più dirla, la sanno già.

Sì, ma la battuta presa da Benigni era di Dangerfield e quella di Bonolis di Carlin. Bisogna citare.
Qualcuno ha fatto notare che ha solo rimproverato Bonolis e non Benigni. Eh sì, ma se dici di fronte ad intere platee ad ogni spettacolo di una tournée che Benigni ti ha copiato tutti pensano "oh ma è proprio forte". Se la battuta è di Dangerfield tuttavia devi dirlo. Non puoi farti ammirare da tutti e poi la battuta non era tua. E comunque fai notare che Benigni copia, anche se non detto in modo accusatorio, resta una bassezza.

Ma la battuta non era l'oro del comico?
Lo è. Come un fraseggio jazz. Con la differenza che quando un musicista come Fred Hersch cita Thelonious Monk, nessuno ci scrive su un blog dicendo: ‘Hersch copia Monk!’. Farebbe la figura del fesso. Chi capisce di jazz, si gode il rimando. Chi è inesperto, è il caso che si metta a studiare. E Schubert sapeva che c’era qualcosa di potente nel quintetto per archi in re maggiore K. 593 di Mozart: lo citò quasi nota per nota nel suo quintetto per archi.

Il comico come il musicista, prende a prestito l'armonia... Insomma, non si sente come uno studente pizzicato a copiare davanti a una classe di milioni di persone?
No, piuttosto come un professore giudicato da un branco di ripetenti.

Ecco, non poteva mancare il tocco di classe finale. Ci inchiniamo tutti di fronte al genio che ha retrodatato post sul blog, mentito per email e censurato ogni video su youtube che non gli piaceva con la sua Srl (facendo pure finta di non saperne niente). Senza contare tutte le altre vicende elencate qua e qua.
Ma non c'era un altro che aveva chiamato "coglioni" chi lo criticava? Al momento mi sfugge.

Sicuro di riuscire a recuperare la fiducia del pubblico?
Ho ricevuto molta solidarietà. Raiperunanotte non si dimentica facilmente. Non sarà l’ultimo attacco. Ma qualcuno si è chiesto almeno chi è l’autore del video anonimo che diffama il mio lavoro. Perché è stato diffuso con un’azione così capillare?

Screditare la voce critica dal punto di vista personale e dei fini. Anche questo mi ricorda qualcosa. Sì è mai chiesto che, forse, al contrario del giornalista che il video non l'ha visto, chi l'ha visto si sia incazzato e lo abbia diffuso e che le continue rimozioni da youtube non abbiano fatto altro che intestardire i censurati?

Speriamo che qualcuno alla redazione de Il Fatto se ne occupi più seriamente.

Censura, bugie e videotape

2010-05-31T23:01:00.021+02:00

ATTENZIONE: Le centinaia di battute copiate da Luttazzi sono riportate qui.

Il video inchiesta (non realizzato da me) sulla questione e che mostra una piccola parte dei plagi di Luttazzi a confronto cogli originali è scaricabile da torrent:
http://www.torrenthound.com/torrent/a3b789f78851bd9b77134311db5d8b5ac2554775

Me lo sarei anche risparmiato questo post, ma ormai la quantità di balle su questa faccenda ha le stesse proporzioni dei plagi.

Post e date

Premesso che il concetto di "Caccia al tesoro" non è una formula magica per poter plagiare a tutto spiano, come ho precisato in questo post, c'è da aggiungere altro.

Luttazzi parla sempre di due post sul suo blog, uno datato "9 Giu 2005" contenente l'annuncio della "Caccia" e l'altro datato "11 Dic 2007" e contenente una lista mistificatrice (come ho spiegato sempre in questo post) di comici/autori/scienziati/giornalisti. Tra l'altro la data del post contenente la lista degli autori è sospetta, anche solo perché si colloca giusto 20 giorni prima rispetto all'apertura di questo blog.

Alcuni fan (o ex) di Luttazzi hanno segnalato la falsità della data del post contenente la lista, precisando che hanno visto comparire quel post meno di un anno fa. Quindi, quasi due anni _dopo_ l'apertura di questo blog.

Per quanto queste siano persone di cui ci si può assolutamente fidare, non basta certamente per dire una cosa del genere. Purtroppo per Luttazzi, come fa notare -paolot- nello stesso thread, il content management system usato per creare il suo blog offre un tracker con la cronologia effettiva dei post.

Vediamo come ad esempio l'annuncio della "Caccia" sia stato modificato:

O come la lista degli autori sia stata modificata solo 24 settimane fa (sul forum si è sostenuto che sia comparsa il 20/11/2009):

Ma ritorniamo al post dell'annuncio della "Caccia". Il contenuto (voglio ricordarlo) del post presente sul blog di Luttazzi è:

Caccia al tesoro
Da anni, Luttazzi organizza una "caccia al tesoro": dissemina qua e là indizi e citazioni di comici famosi, e i fan devono scoprirli. Questo escamotage nacque come esigenza legale dopo il processo Tamaro: il pretesto delle querele miliardarie, infatti, è che quella di Luttazzi non è satira, ma volgarità e insulto.

Facevano così anche contro Lenny Bruce e Lenny Bruce, per difendersi, cominciò a inserire nei suoi monologhi brani di autori satirici famosi. Vinse così alcuni processi dimostrando che il brano tanto volgare di cui lo accusavano, in realtà era di Aristofane!

Luttazzi ha ripreso lo "stratagemma Bruce": non solo vince le cause miliardarie che gli intentano, ma può togliersi lo sfizio di dare dell'ignorante a chi lo attacca sui giornali sostenendo che la sua non è satira e non fa ridere. Quando i soloni fanno un esempio, quasi sempre il brano che non li fa ridere -sorpresa!- è ripreso da un comico famosissimo: Bruce, Carlin, Hicks. ( Famosissimo per tutti, tranne che per loro! )

Il campo di Luttazzi è minato. Occorre competenza per attraversarlo indenni.

La cosa col tempo è diventata una strizzatina d'occhio ai fan: la caccia al tesoro. Scoprire le mine. Una complicità fra appassionati di comicità, come nel jazz quando Fred Hersch inserisce in una improvvisazione una frase di Monk: chi se ne accorge entra a far parte di un circolo di eletti.

Il premio simbolico è un libro di Luttazzi o un suo cd con autografo commemorativo dell'occasione fausta.

Altre mine restano ancora nascoste. Quindi, buona caccia!

Non che conti nulla dopo 10 anni di plagi venirsene fuori con una cosa così, ma andiamo avanti.

Sempre purtroppo per Luttazzi, esiste un servizio chiamato web.archive.org che contiene backup di siti. A questo link è consultabile l'intero blog di Daniele Luttazzi del 2005:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060506133947/www.danieleluttazzi.it/?q=blog&from=80

L'unico post sulla "Caccia" è datato 24 Ottobre 2005 e il testo è il seguente:

caccia al tesoro

I più attenti hanno notato che mi diverto a disseminare di scherzi e di allusioni segrete i miei libri. Ad esempio, in "Bollito misto" cito il Levitico a proposito del divieto di mangiare aragoste, ma se uno va a controllare, il testo biblico in quel punto parla di gonorrea. In “Adenoidi”, la frase assurda che Oscar Sancisi usa per rimorchiare ( “Ti ha mai detto nessuno che la voce dei tuoi occhi è più profonda di tutte le rose?” ) è in realtà una poesia di e.e. cummings. E così via. E' una caccia al tesoro. Gli indizi sono centinaia.
Buon divertimento.

Una screenshot per chi la vuole guardare:

Buffo perché la frase di Cummings la "scovai" proprio io. L'ho riconosciuta in inglese recitata nel film "Hannah and her sisters" di Woody Allen. Ma non divaghiamo, cosa c'entri Cummings con i plagi non si sa.

Anche il post riguardante la vincita di un libro o cd di Luttazzi per alcune battute di Chris Rock scoperte ha viaggiato nel tempo (e nel contenuto). Nella prima immagine di questo post vedete che il secondo elemento "Caccia al tesoro" è stato modificato sempre un anno e tre settimane fa (sta esattamente sopra a quello evidenziato). Trovate il post originale qua:

http://web.archive.org/web/20070706012647/www.danieleluttazzi.it/?q=node&from=10

La data vera è Maggio/Giugno 2007, quella sul blog di Luttazzi è invece 16/09/2006.

Il contenuto originale era:

Caccia al tesoro

Da anni, Luttazzi organizza una "caccia al tesoro": dissemina qua e là indizi e citazioni di comici famosi, e i fan devono scoprirli. All'inizio questa cosa gli serviva come escamotage per dare dell'ignorante a chi lo attaccava sostenendo che la sua non era satira nè faceva ridere: poi i soloni facevano un esempio e quasi sempre il brano che non li faceva ridere era di un comico famosissimo: Bruce, Carlin, Hicks. ( Famosissimo per tutti, tranne che per loro! )

La cosa col tempo è diventata una strizzatina d'occhio ai fan. Una complicità fra appassionati di comicità, come nel jazz quando Fred Hersch inserisce in una improvvisazione una frase di Monk: chi se ne accorge entra a far parte di un circolo di eletti.

Il premio simbolico è un libro di Luttazzi o un suo cd con autografo commemorativo della vincita.

Il tema della caccia di quest'anno era Chris Rock: vinta sei giorni fa da Davide Prevarin di Caorle.

Altri indizi restano ancora nascosti. Quindi, buona caccia!

Invece, per quanto concerne la lista, il post sul blog di Luttazzi all'indirizzo www.danieleluttazzi.it/node/324:

Giusto per mostrarne la data e ora di pubblicazione. E questo il vero post, intitolato "La colonna infame", trovato da filolif nell'archivio (la data di archiviazione è il 13 Dicembre 2007: due giorni dopo):

Stesso link (324), stessa data (11 Dic 2007), stessa ora (9:30). Risulta chiaro che Luttazzi in questo caso non abbia retrodatato, ma abbia preso un vecchio post del suo blog (uno che guardacaso fosse antecedente al mio blog di 20 giorni) e lo abbia stravolto nel contenuto, inserendovi la famosa lista e modificandone il titolo.

Lo ribadisco, questa storia della caccia non cambia assolutamente niente, ma giusto per mettere i puntini sulle i.

Youtube, Facebook, Megavideo etc.

Si parte con il primo video, quello di Sback (uno dei primi utenti del blog ad attivarsi riguardo alla faccenda). E' un video semplice che conteneva una foto di Luttazzi (la stessa della copertina di Barracuda) e alterna immagini delle battute scritte in inglese alla foto di Luttazzi. Pochi giorni dopo il video viene fatto rimuovere dalla Krassner Entertainment perché viola il copyright (sulla foto, si presume).

Intanto, chiariamo da subito chi è la Krassner. Mi è bastato fare un whois al sito ufficiale:

Cosa fa Sback? Da brava persona (magari un po' ingenua) scrive a Luttazzi per sapere il perché della censura. Luttazzi replica che "per pubblicare qualunque cosa mi riguardi (video, foto eccetera) occorre chiedere l'autorizzazione a krassner, che è titolare dei diritti. se c'erano delle mie foto, il motivo è quello.". Non accenna minimamente al fatto che sia stato lui stesso a farlo rimuovere. Si mantiene vago. Una settimana prima, tuttavia, un fan di Luttazzi gli linka il video su youtube e ne ottiene un'esclamazione di sorpresa:

...em...diciamo che non posso dirlo...è uno scambio personale e non sarebbe giusto nei suoi confronti....però l'inizio...ahahah.... ... .sintetizza bene:

Urka!

(http://freeforumzone.leonardo.it/discussione.aspx?idd=8919103)

Il video viene in seguito riuppato su youtube da Sback, stavolta senza la foto di Luttazzi.

Passa il tempo. Un altro utente del blog realizza il documentario di 40 minuti "Il Meglio [NON è] di Daniele Luttazzi". Viene uppato su youtube, megavideo e megaupload. Viene immediatamente rimosso dalla Krassner da youtube. A questo punto per chiarire la questione "ma Luttazzi sa come agisce la Krassner?" ho fatto un whois al sito della Krassner. Troppo facile nascondersi dietro ad una Srl.

Il video è stato più volte fatto rimuovere da: youtube, facebook, megavideo. Sempre col pretesto del copyright.

In seguito, persino il trailer contenente solo spezzoni dei comici inglesi viene fatto rimuovere. Stavolta con la scusa della "diffamazione". Di seguito le stesse parole dell'autore del video:

INCREDIBILE!
SU YOUTUBE è STATO RIMOSSO ADDIRITTURA IL TRAILER DEL VIDEO, che non conteneva materiale di Luttazzi coperto da copyright (era stato montato così a posta per evitarne la cancellazione).

Non mi è arrivato nessun messaggio che mi avvisasse della cosa. In ogni caso se guardo tra i miei video, cliccando sul prom...o cancellato, posso leggere questa cosa fanstastica:

Messaggi di errore comuni: DIFFAMAZIONE

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Wikipedia

Su wikipedia v'è una feroce battaglia per quanto concerne la sezione: "Influenze artistiche, citazioni ed accuse di plagio" della pagina "Daniele Luttazzi".

L'utente Santepracucci ne ha fatta una questione di vita o di morte. Ogni due giorni rimodifica la voce (peraltro, quasi l'unica alla quale abbia dato contributo, sempre rimuovendo i riferimenti al blog o a cose simili):

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Santepracucci

Addirittura scrive a qualcuno di wikipedia:

Ciao, sono Sante Pracucci. Volevo segnalare che alla voce "Luttazzi" c'è qualcuno che continua a inserire il termine "plagi" nel titolo di un paragrafo. Il plagio è un reato e accusare qualcuno di un reato che non ha commesso è diffamazione. Luttazzi, come spiega la voce, non ha mai plagiato nessuno. Andrebbe spiegato al tizio che deve accontentarsi delle informazioni già contenute nella voce (voce che peraltro nella sua versione lui usa per mettere un link al suo sito!) e non insistere nel SUO reato.

E nella discussione riguardo alla pagina:

Non sono per niente d'accordo.La caccia al tesoro di Luttazzi è proprio la dichiarazione pubblica dello stratagemma di Lenny Bruce:se Luttazzi nasconde citazioni invitando a trovarle,dov'è il plagio?Non c'è,e accusarlo di plagio è diffamazione:Wikipedia non ammette contenuti diffamatori.Quello di Luttazzi è un gioco letterario che ha scopi precisi: Luttazzi nel suo blog ne parla in modo diffuso e da molto prima delle "scoperte" di qualche blogger che pare marciarci. Luttazzi inoltre elenca sul suo blog tutti gli autori,comici e non solo,da lui citati.Luttazzi ha scritto diciotto libri che vanno dalle 150 alle 370 pagine l'uno.Sono decine di migliaia di battute comiche.Dire che si tratta di un non-autore è una stupidaggine da troll.Va ricordato soprattutto l'aiuto "Cosa NON mettere su Wikipedia, punto 4: tesi, opinioni e teorie personali o di parte. Wikipedia è un'enciclopedia e non un forum, una chat o un newsgroup." SP

All'utente, sempre nella discussione, viene risposto per le rime.

È molto interessante notare che l'utente Santepracucci abbia modificato anche la pagina inglese di Luttazzi:

I cut the references to script-doctoring for HBO and Comedy Central: it's a FALSE information. And I cut the chapter about his monologues' soundtracks: it's absolutely irrelevant .

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Daniele_Luttazzi&diff=prev&oldid=295141561

E questo commento lasciato sul blog di Beppe Grillo:

http://www.beppegrillo.it/2009/02/mauirizio_gaspa.html

"Bella l'idea del necrologio in anticipo. L'ha già avuta Luttazzi TRE ANNI FA!

Necrologio di Berlusconi:
http://www.slow.danieleluttazzi.it/luttazzi.htm

Sveglia, Grillo!
sante pracucci 15.02.09 09:41| "

Un fan molto accanito e molto informato su Luttazzi. Questo si potrà dire.

Inoltre, aneddoto interessante, se si cerca "Sante Pracucci" su google esce:

La storia di quest’ultima generazione inizia nel 1906, quando Sante Pracucci, nativo di Longiano, si trasferisce a Santarcangelo e lavora a bottega dalla famiglia Molari

L'indagine continua grazie all'utente filolif in questo thread:
http://freeforumzone.leonardo.it/discussione.aspx?idd=9234046&p=5

La storia di quest’ultima generazione inizia nel 1906, quando Sante Pracucci, nativo di Longiano, si trasferisce a Santarcangelo e lavora a bottega dalla famiglia Molari; col tempo il suo ruolo si accresce fino al punto di rilevare la tintoria, che sarà successivamente gestita dal genero Alfredo Marchi e poi dal nipote Alfonso Marchi che l’anno scorso consegna ufficialmente ai figli Lara e Gabriele il testimone assieme ai segreti dell’arte tintoria; il 17 marzo 2008, infatti, venne inaugurato il negozio/laboratorio sotto la guida degli ultimi eredi.
Per informazioni:
Stamperia Artigiana Marchi di Lara e Gabriele Marchi
( http://www.geosearch.it/s_123/siti-storici-culturali/Antica-Tintoria-Marchi.php )

E in un libro di Luttazzi:

A Santarcangelo c'è gente arguta, dalla battuta pronta: devi essere all'altezza. [...] Per non parlare degli artisti: [...]. E del festival del teatro in piazza [...]. La scuola di Bornaccino. La stamperia artigiana di mio zio Alfonso Marchi.
(La guerra civile fredda, pag. 220)

Ognuno tragga le proprie conclusioni.

Google

Un certo "r3kroy" richiede insistentemente a Google di rimuovere questo blog:

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/blogger/user?userid=13787515302472055745&hl=it

Nell'arco di due giorni a partire dal 28/05/2010 fa cinque richieste di rimozione, le elenco qua:

Il blog http://ntvox.blogspot.com/2008/02/luttazzis-plagiariezed-jokes.html posta in apertura il link a un sito TORRENT dove scaricare un video che contiene materiale protetto da copyright. Questo non viola le norme per i contenuti di Blogger?

Il blog http://ntvox.blogspot.com/2008/02/luttazzis-plagiariezed-jokes.html accusa del reato di plagio il comico Daniele Luttazzi. Questa è diffamazione: Luttazzi ha spiegato che si tratta di un suo gioco con i fan.
La diffamazione non viola le norme per i contenuti di Blogger?

Il blog http://ntvox.blogspot.com/2008/01/daniele-luttazzi-copia.html accusa del reato di plagio il comico Daniele Luttazzi. Questa è diffamazione: Luttazzi ha spiegato che si tratta di un suo gioco con i fan.
La diffamazione non viola le norme per i contenuti di Blogger?

http://ntvox.blogspot.com/2008/02/luttazzis-plagiariezed-jokes.html
Questo blog diffama l'artista Daniele Luttazzi,definendo "plagi" una serie di citazioni che Luttazzi usa per la Caccia al Tesoro coi suoi lettori.Luttazzi ne parla nel suo blog elencando anche gli artisti citati.Quindi non si tratta di plagi e accusarlo di plagio è diffamazione.La DIFFAMAZIONE non è contro i termini di servizio di Blogger?

http://ntvox.blogspot.com/2008/02/luttazzis-plagiariezed-jokes.html
Questo blog,nella pagina iniziale,linka a un sito TORRENT da cui scaricare video con materiale protetto da copyright.Questo non va contro i termini di servizio di Blogger?

Strano. Anche un fan dalla parte di Luttazzi, perché dovrebbe insistere in modo così accanito? Inoltre, non ho ancora incontrato fan di Luttazzi interessati alla chiusura di questo blog.

E-Mail

Luttazzi ha mentito per email. Su questo non ci piove. Pure saltando la mia email del 2006 in cui non risponde alle battute prese da Emo Philips ma millanta una collaborazione con autori americani. Vi è la testimonianza di Headbox:

2 anni fa scrissi tramite myspace a Daniele per segnalargli la battuta (già da voi individuata) sempre di Seinfeld "Dogs are the leaders of the planet. If you see two life forms, one of them's making a poop, the other one's carrying it for him, who would you assume is in charge?" lui mi rispose così

"Caro headbox, grazie della segnalazione, ma la battuta è mia. Per colpa di internet, ne vedo diverse ormai attribuite a questo e a quello. Non posso difendermi. C'è di peggio. Un mese fa, Jay Leno ha detto due battute prese pari pari dal mio Tabloid del 1996! Come si spiega? I suoi autori, come quelli di Seinfeld, setacciano internet. Non c'è protezione. Ne scriverò altre.

Ciao.

D."

Balle. La battuta è proprio di Seinfeld (SeinLanguage pag. 144, 1993).

Vi sono altre email, come quella in cui dice di aver aggiunto una bellissima coda ad una battuta di Hicks, usando, in verità, sempre una battuta di Hicks, ma ve la risparmio per carità.

Giornali

Consiglio di leggere le testimonianze.

Un estratto:

da La Repubblica, 03.02.01 (http://ricerca.repubblica.it/repubblica/archivio/repubblica/2001/02/03/lettere.html)

Le battute di "Satyricon"
Daniele Luttazzi (Roma)
Alcuni giornalisti (l'ultimo è l'ottimo Antonio Dipollina) suggeriscono che avrei nascosto al telespettatore le somiglianze fra il mio "Satyricon" e il "David Letterman Show" della Cbs. Lungi da me l'idea. Il mio debito però non col Lettermann, ma col talk-show originale cui lo stesso Letterman si ispira: il "Tonight Show" inventato nel 1962 dal grande Johnny Carson e trasmesso per 30 anni dalla Nbc. Da allora, tutti i talk-show notturni americani (sono una decina) ricalcano quella formula fortunata: monologo di apertura sui fatti della settimana, tre ospiti, alcune rubriche comiche (ad esempio la Lista, che Letterman ha copiato dal quotidiano "Usa Today", e che per questo motivo ha potuto portare con sé passando dalla Nbc alla Cbs nel ' 93. Cfr. R. Lennon, "David Letterman on stage and off", Pinnacle Books, New York 1994). "Satyricon" fa un passo oltre: gli ospiti vengono coinvolti in sketch umoristici. Una mia idea, che nessun talk-show americano ha. In più, "Satyricon" narra una piccola sit-com sulle mie disastrate vicende sentimentali, delle quali il talk-show finisce per essere un contrappunto. Infine, tutte le battute di "Satyricon" sono originali. (Se si sostiene il contrario occorre fare degli esempi precisi, altrimenti mi si devono delle scuse).

Largamente dimostrato.

La "caccia al tesoro"

2009-12-23T11:24:00.014+01:00

La lista delle battute plagiate scoperte è reperibile qui.

Scrive Luttazzi nel ~~2007~~ 2009(?):

"Il successo della “Caccia al tesoro” ( un centinaio di vincitori, fra cui Mauro Madeddu, Sergio Briasco, Davide Prevarin, Angelo Schisa e Davide Bianchi) ha incuriosito molti. Quanti comici nascosti sono già stati scoperti?

Ecco la lista provvisoria:

Steve Allen, Woody Allen, Aristofane, Rowan Atkinson, Clive Anderson, Dave Attell, Ronnie Barker, John Barth, Donald Barthelme, Roseanne Barr, Richard Belzer, Jack Benny, Milton Berle, Sandra Bernhard, Ambrose Bierce, Mike Birbiglia, Joey Bishop, Lewis Black, Jorge Louis Borges, Frankie Boyle, Jo Brand, Lenny Bruce, George Burns, Bill Burr, Aldo Buzzi, Godfrey Cambridge, Cedric the Entertainer, George Carlin, Jimmy Carr, Lewis Carroll, Johnny Carson, Miguel de Cervantes, Dave Chappelle, G.K.Chesterton, Margaret Cho, Andrew Dice Clay, Billy Connolly, Dane Cook, Tommy Cooper, Bill Cosby, David Cross, Barry Cryer, Billy Crystal, e.e.cummings, Rodney Dangerfield, Bill Dana, Larry David, Jack Dee, Louis De Funes, Ellen DeGeneres, Phyllis Diller, Ken Dodd, Tom Dreesen, Dick Emery, Harry Enfield, Bill Engvall, Lee Evans, Marty Feldman, W.C. Fields, Greg Fitzsimmons, Michel Foucault, Dawn French, Sigmund Freud, Stephen Fry, Carlo Emilio Gadda, Janeane Garofalo, Bobcat Goldthwait, Edmond de Goncourt, Gilbert Gottfried, Tom Green, Dick Gregory, Buddy Hackett, Jack Handey, Ben Hecht, Mitch Hedberg, Bill Hicks, Harry Hill, Frankie Howerd, Richard Ingrams, Eddie Izzard, Henry James, Richard Jeni, James Joyce, Franz Kafka, Gabe Kaplan, Andy Kaufman, Buster Keaton, Sam Kinison, Ernie Kovacs, Paul Krassner, Karl Kraus, Stan Laurel, Carol Leifer, David Letterman, Joe E. Lewis, Richard Lewis, Georg Lichtenberg, Anita Loos, Jon Lovitz, Norm Macdonald, Bill Maher, Merrill Markoe, Don Marquis, Groucho Marx, Dean Martin, Demetri Martin, Steve Martin, Menandro, H.L. Mencken, Paul Merton, Dennis Miller, Larry Miller, Alberto Moravia, Robert Musil, Vladimir Nabokov, Kevin Nealon, Ross Noble, Bob Newhart, Conan O’Brien, Patton Oswalt, Dorothy Parker, Andy Parsons, Emo Philips, Tito Maccio Plauto, Thomas Pynchon, Monty Python, Dennis Potter, Marcel Proust, Richard Pryor, François Rabelais, Carl Reiner, Vic Reeves, Brian Regan, Don Rickles, Chris Rock, Joe Rogan, Will Rogers, Jeffrey Ross, Mike Royce, Rita Rudner, William Rushton, Bob Saget, Mort Sahl, J.D.Salinger, Adam Sandler, Robert Schimmel, Ronald Searle, Jerry Seinfeld, William Shakespeare, Garry Shandling, Martin Short, Frank Shuster, Sarah Silverman, Neil Simon, Isaac Bashevis Singer, Red Skelton, Bobby Slayton, Linda Smith, Logan Pearsall Smith, Terry Southern, Laurence Sterne, Tom Stoppard, Igor Stravinsky, Italo Svevo, Wanda Sykes, Publio Terenzio, Dave Thomas, James Thurber, Mark Twain, Kenneth Tynan, Giuseppe Ungaretti, Peter Ustinov, Karl Valentin, Virgilio, Kurt Vonnegut, Jimmie Walker, Max Wall, Evelyn Waugh, Mae West, E.B. White, Oscar Wilde, Billy Wilder, Flip Wilson, P.G. Wodehouse, Steven Wright, W.B. Yeats, Israel Zangwill, Emile Zola

Tanti, ma non ancora tutti. Quindi la caccia è ancora aperta.
Buon divertimento!"

Ho rimosso dalla lista i vari Aristofane, Cervantes, Freud, Sterne ecc., lasciando solamente stand-up comedians e autori comici (questo significa dal 1900 in poi). Non solo perché essendo comici veri e propri hanno molto più materiale da cui attingere, ma anche perché questo blog parla di plagi, non citazioni. Il Tristram Shandy e il Don Chisciotte sono nella mia libreria; li ho letti e tutti in Italia hanno la possibilità di leggerli: sono conosciuti e si trovano ovunque. Anche se Luttazzi avesse ripreso un pezzo comico dal Don Chisciotte, sarebbe una citazione. La caratteristica del plagio, invece, è che non è possibile per il pubblico riconoscerlo. I comici da cui Luttazzi ha copiato sono sconosciuti in Italia e nei rarissimi casi in cui non siano sconosciuti i comici stessi, tipo Chris Rock, sono sconosciuti gli spettacoli da cui Luttazzi ha copiato le loro battute.
Ho rimosso anche i giornalisti satirici (a parte uno), poiché è una categoria che ha lasciato troppi scritti, ricercare un plagio (se anche ci fosse), sarebbe come cercare un ago in un pagliaio.
Inoltre, ho aggiunto in grassetto alcuni comici mancanti alla lista.

Ecco, dunque, la lista ripulita e contenente solo comici:

Ted Alexandro, Steve Allen, Woody Allen, Rowan Atkinson, Clive Anderson, Dave Attell, Ronnie Barker, Roseanne Barr, Richard Belzer, Jack Benny, Milton Berle, Sandra Bernhard, Ambrose Bierce, Mike Birbiglia, Joey Bishop, Lewis Black, Frankie Boyle, Jo Brand, Lenny Bruce, George Burns, Bill Burr, Godfrey Cambridge, Drew Carey, Cedric the Entertainer, George Carlin, Jimmy Carr, Johnny Carson, Dave Chappelle, Chevy Chase, Margaret Cho, Andrew Dice Clay, Billy Connolly, Dane Cook, Tommy Cooper, Bill Cosby, David Cross, Barry Cryer, Billy Crystal, Rodney Dangerfield, Bill Dana, Larry David, Jack Dee, Louis De Funes, Ellen DeGeneres, Phyllis Diller, Ken Dodd, Tom Dreesen, Dick Emery, Harry Enfield, Bill Engvall, Lee Evans, Marty Feldman, W.C. Fields, Greg Fitzsimmons, Stewart Francis, Dawn French, Stephen Fry, Janeane Garofalo, Bobcat Goldthwait, Gilbert Gottfried, Schecky Green, Tom Green, Dick Gregory, Buddy Hackett, Jack Handey, Mitch Hedberg, Bill Hicks, Harry Hill, Frankie Howerd, Eddie Izzard, Richard Jeni, Gabe Kaplan, Andy Kaufman, Jamie Kennedy, Laura Kightlinger, Sam Kinison, Ernie Kovacs, Paul Krassner, Stan Laurel, Carol Leifer, David Letterman, Joe E. Lewis, Richard Lewis, Jon Lovitz, Norm Macdonald, Bill Maher, Merrill Markoe, Don Marquis, Groucho Marx, Dean Martin, Demetri Martin, Steve Martin, Paul Merton, Dennis Miller, Larry Miller, Chris Morris, Kevin Nealon, Bob Newhart, Ross Noble, Jim Norton, Conan O’Brien, Patton Oswalt, Andy Parsons, Emo Philips, Monty Python, Richard Pryor, Carl Reiner, Vic Reeves, Brian Regan, Don Rickles, Chris Rock, Joe Rogan, Jeffrey Ross, Mike Royce, Rita Rudner, William Rushton, Bob Saget, Mort Sahl, Adam Sandler, Dan Savage, Robert Schimmel, Jerry Seinfeld, Garry Shandling, Martin Short, Frank Shuster, Sarah Silverman, Red Skelton, Bobby Slayton, Linda Smith, Carrie Snow, John Stewart, Wanda Sykes, Dave Thomas, James Thurber, Jimmie Walker, Max Wall, Flip Wilson, Steven Wright

Sono oltre 130 comici! Non è detto che Luttazzi abbia effettivamente plagiato una battuta da ognuno di essi, ma non dimentichiamo che da alcuni, come Hicks e Schimmel, Luttazzi ha preso quasi l'intero repertorio.

Il famoso scambio di email

2009-11-20T09:53:00.001+01:00

Ho ritrovato lo scambio di email avvenuto tra me e Luttazzi tra il 12/03/2006 e il 13/03/2006 e menzionato nell'articolo "Luttazzi Copia!".

Questo scambio è molto importante, proprio perché è da un po' di tempo a questa parte che Luttazzi parla di reato di diffamazione riguardo alle accuse di plagio. La sua versione è che, siccome in un post del suo blog del 2005 (e ora ha aggiunto anche un'intervista del 1992 a radio2) parla della "caccia al tesoro" per i fan, allora ora non si può più dire che plagia.
Intanto, un concetto come la "caccia al tesoro" non è una formula magica che permette poi di copiare centinaia di battute di altri comici. Peraltro, cosa c'entra la suddetta "caccia" col plagio? Il plagio è "l'illecita appropriazione dell'opera dell'ingegno altrui". Luttazzi ha ottenuto il permesso di Hicks, Carlin, Schimmel, Philips ecc. di utilizzare le loro battute nei suoi libri/spettacoli senza, peraltro, citarne la fonte? No!
Quindi, resta un'appropriazione indebita. Cosa c'entri il reato di diffamazione lo sa solo Luttazzi.

Il seguente scambio di email è illuminante perché avvenuto nel 2006 e fa crollare anche il discorso "caccia al tesoro" (che comunque, lo ribadisco, non c'entra niente colla questione plagio).

L'email che segue l'ho spedita a Luttazzi in data 12/03/2006.

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Ciao Daniele,

mi sono ultimamente imbattutto in Emo Philips e nelle sue battute, eccone alcune:

"Well, I've always wanted a wife, and she's always wanted to be a citizen..."

"I used to think the brain was the most fascinating part of the body. Then I thought, Look what's telling me that."

"Houses make strange noises at night like creak, groan and "Emo, I'm going to kill you." ...So I remembered what my mother told me, "Whenever you feel afraid just whistle a happy tune... [whistling] ...then I felt a hand around my throat and a voice said, "Thanks. I thought I'd never find you in the dark.""

"People come up to me and say, "Emo, do people really come up to you?""

“I ran three miles today. Finally I said, "Lady take your purse."”

E Drew Carey:

“You know that look women get when they want sex? Me neither”

Uhm potresti spiegarmi come mai queste battute compaiono anche nei tuoi monologhi?

[mia firma]

Risposta di Luttazzi: 13/03/2006 ----------------------

Caro [mio nome],

molti comici americani hanno battute mie, da quando collaboro con Comedy Central e HBO. L'ultimo è Jay Leno, che il mese scorso ha detto una decina di battute di Tabloid, opportunamente modificate per il pubblico USA. ( Quella dei comici è una congregazione internazionale, come ce n'è una per i maghi. Come entri a farne parte? Ti trovano loro. A me è successo dopo "Barracuda". )

Buona giornata.

Daniele

p.s.: la battuta che attribuisci a Drew Carey in realtà era per un altro comico, che gliel'ha passata.

Mia replica: 13/03/2006 -------------------------------

Caro Daniele,

intanto scusa il mio stupore iniziale, non avevo idea ci fosse una congregazione internazionale. Ma questo dimostra che stai meritatamente nella mia personale Hall of Fame dei più grandi comici di tutti i tempi. [...]

Grazie della tua risposta che non era assolutamente scontata, visti i tuoi impegni e le persone che ti scrivono. Sei sempre una persona squisita sia nella vita reale che qua in internet (anche quando mi rispondesti riguardo alla citazione di una poesia di Cummings in "adenoidi").

Grazie,

[mia firma]

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Voglio precisare che posso provare a livello informatico che questo scambio di email sia avvenuto. Comunque, la risposta di Luttazzi va al di là di qualsiasi contraffazione. Egli non mente esplicitamente, ci mancherebbe, ma voi cosa pensereste dopo aver letto la sua risposta alla mia email?

Infatti, nello scambio di email successivo riportato nell'articolo egli dice:

"mi scuso allora se con la mia risposta ti ho indotto a equivocare. Il mio carteggio americano è con autori di serie tv comiche. Con loro scambio idee e battute. Non ho mai detto di averlo fatto con Philips, però, nè so che se ne fanno gli americani delle mie battute, anche se ogni tanto Jay Leno ne dice qualcuna"

Sì, mi ha indotto a equivocare. È l'espressione corretta.

Ma dov'è la "caccia al tesoro"? Se l'è dimenticata. E se l'è dimenticata anche dopo la mia replica dove io, povero scemo, pure mi scuso e gli faccio i complimenti.

The (in)famous email exchange

2009-11-20T09:50:00.001+01:00

I've found again the email exchange between me and Luttazzi which took place in the time span across 12/03/2006-13/03/2006, and which was mentioned in the article "Luttazzi Plagiarizes!".

This email exchange is very important, also because lately Luttazzi started talking about defamation crime regarding plagiarism charges. His version is that, since he mentioned the "treasure hunt" for the fans in a post dated 2005 in his blog (and now he adds even an interview on radio2 in 1992), thus now it can't be said that he plagiarizes.
First off, the "treasure hunt" thing is not a magic hocus-pocus which allows you to plagiarize hundreds of jokes written by other comedians. Second off, what has the mentioned "treasure hunt" to do with plagiarism? Plagiarism is the "unauthorized use of work of another author". Has Luttazzi obtained the authorization from Hicks, Carlin, Schimmel, Philips etc. to use their jokes in his shows/books without even mentioning the source? No!
Thus, it remains unauthorized use. Only Luttazzi knows what defamation crime has to do with it.

The following email exchange is enlightening, because it took place in 2006 and it burns to ashes the "treasure hunt" concept (which, I repeat, has nothing to do with the plagiarism charges anyway).

The following email was sent by me to Luttazzi on 12/03/2006.

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Hello Daniele,

lately I discovered Emo Philips and his jokes. Here are some:

"Well, I've always wanted a wife, and she's always wanted to be a citizen..."

"I used to think the brain was the most fascinating part of the body. Then I thought, Look what's telling me that."

"Houses make strange noises at night like creak, groan and "Emo, I'm going to kill you." ...So I remembered what my mother told me, "Whenever you feel afraid just whistle a happy tune... [whistling] ...then I felt a hand around my throat and a voice said, "Thanks. I thought I'd never find you in the dark.""

"People come up to me and say, "Emo, do people really come up to you?""

“I ran three miles today. Finally I said, "Lady take your purse."”

And Drew Carey:

“You know that look women get when they want sex? Me neither”

Uhm, could you explain why these jokes show up in your monologues?

[my signature]

Luttazzi's answer: 13/03/2006 ----------------------

Dear [my name],

many american comedians have jokes of mine, from the time I collaborate with Comedy Central and HBO. The last one is Jay Leno, who the last month said 10 jokes from Tabloid conveniently changed for the US audience. ( Comedians have an internation congregation, as there is one for the magicians. How do you get to join it? They find you. To me it happened after "Barracuda". )

Good day.

Daniele

p.s.: the joke you attribute to Drew Carey was actually for another comedian, who gave it to him.

My reply: 13/03/2006 --------------------------------

Dear Daniele,

I'm sorry for my initial astonishment, I had no idea that there was an international congregation. But this proves that you deserve the place in my personal Hall of Fame of the greatest comedians of all time. [...]

Thanks for your answer, I know you're busy and that many people write you.
You're always very nice person, both in real life and here on the internet (even when you answered me about a quotation from a poem by Cummings in "adenoidi").

Thanks,

[my signature]

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I can prove that this email exchange took place on a technical IT level. Anyway, Luttazzi's answer goes beyond any sort of fabrication. He doesn't explicitly lie, of course not, but what would you think after reading his answer to my email?

In fact, in the later email exchange reported in the article he says:

"I excuse myself then if with my answer I made you misunderstand. My american correspondence is with authors of comedy tv shows. With them I exchange ideas and jokes. I've never said that I did it with Philips though, neither do I know what the americans do with my jokes, even though Jay Leno says every once in a while"

Yes, he made me misunderstand. That's the correct expression.

But where's the "treasure hunt"? He forgot about it. And he forgot about it even after my reply where I, pathetic fool, even apologize and make him compliments.

Daniele Luttazzi copia!

2008-01-29T18:26:00.011+01:00

ATTENZIONE: Le centinaia di battute copiate da Luttazzi sono riportate qui. Il seguente articolo è quello iniziale, scritto all'apertura del blog (Gennaio 2008: quando le battute plagiate nella lista erano "solo" una cinquantina) e non sarà più aggiornato. Lascio l'articolo nella versione originale in quanto testimonianza cronologica degli eventi, ma non ha più nessun valore, considerando la quantità dei plagi. Non avrei mai intrecciato una corrispondenza con Luttazzi per chiedere conto delle battute copiate se avessi saputo da subito che i plagi erano centinaia, né avrei preteso un "mea culpa". Il numero dei plagi e delle bugie è imbarazzantemente alto.

Da leggere anche le testimonianze di altri e questa vicenda.

Il video inchiesta (non realizzato da me) sulla questione e che mostra una piccola parte dei plagi di Luttazzi a confronto cogli originali è scaricabile da torrent:
http://www.torrenthound.com/torrent/a3b789f78851bd9b77134311db5d8b5ac2554775
Metterlo su youtube o altri servizi di streaming non ha molto senso, perché la Krassner (aka Luttazzi) ne richiede prontamente la rimozione.

Prima di tutto voglio dire che sono sempre stato (finora) un grande ammiratore di Luttazzi e che conosco a memoria tutti i suoi monologhi a teatro e i suoi libri, insomma qualsiasi battuta. Ed è proprio ciò che mi porta a scrivere questo post.

DUBBIO INIZIALE

Una volta scrissi a Luttazzi per chiedere come mai il comico americano Emo Philips aveva nel repertorio alcune sue battute (ne cito alcune qua):

People come up to me and say, "Emo, do people really come up to you?"

I ran three miles today... finally I said, "Lady, take your purse."

I always wanted a beautiful loving wife and she always wanted to be a citizen.

Mi rispose che dal 1999 (post Barracuda) collabora con HBO e Comedy Central e che passa sue battute a comici americani come anche Jay Leno. Quindi, mi ero (erroneamente e vedremo dopo perché) messo l'anima in pace. Adesso, qualche anno dopo, ho scoperto insieme ad un mio amico, ovvero colui che mi ha linkato una battuta di Hicks identica a quella di Luttazzi e che è stato l'incipit di questo post, battute di comici che le hanno scritte ben prima del '99. Prendiamo ad esempio Bill Hicks (morto di cancro nel 1994). Ecco qui alcune battute che ho trovato su wikiquote (quindi nemmeno a dire che ho visto gli spettacoli o letto i libri). Le parti combacianti con le battute italiane di Luttazzi sono in grassetto.

Not all drugs are good. Some … are great.

I actually did that act one night in the south. Then, after the show, these three rednecks came up to me. "Hey, buddy! We're Christians and we didn't like what you said." I said, "Then forgive me."

And by the way, that 3 month old kid in your belly is not a fucking human being, okay? It's a bunch of little congregated cells. You're not a human … till you're in my phone book.

I'm sorry if anyone here is Catholic. I'm not sorry if you are offended, I'm actually sorry – just the fact that you're Catholic. Gotta be one of the most ludicrous fucking beliefs ever. Like these vampire priests sink their twin fangs of guilt and sin into you as a child and suck your joy of life out of you the rest of your fucking existence.

Wouldn't you like to see a positive LSD story on the news? To hear what it's all about, perhaps? Wouldn't that be interesting? Just for once?
"Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration … that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."

Keith Richards outlived Jim Fixx, the runner and health nut. The plot thickens. You remember Jim Fixx? This human cipher used to write books on jogging. Now, what do you fuckin’ write about jogging? ‘Right foot, left foot, faster, faster, oh hell, I dunno, go home, shower.’ Pretty much covers the jogging experience, I do believe. Then this doofus goes out and has a heart attack and dies.... while jogging. There is a God. ‘Right foot, left foot, hemorrhage.

"Today a young man on acid, thought he could fly, jumped off a building, what a tragedy." What a dick! If he thought he could fly, why didn't he take off from the ground?

This is it, folks. This is the idea which has kept me virtually unknown for the past 16 years. I have watched my crowds dwindle. I am going nowhere, and nowhere quick, but, those of you who have children, I am sorry to tell you this, but they are not special. Wait! I know some of you are going: "What, what?" Let me just clarify: I know you think they're special … ha ha ha! I'm aware of that. I'm just here to tell you that they're not! Ha ha ha ha! Sorry. Did you know that every time a guy comes, he comes two-hundred million sperm? One out of two-hundred million – that load, we're only talking about one load – connected: Gee, what are the fucking odds? Do you know what that means? I've wiped nations off of my chest with a grey gym sock. Entire civilizations have flaked and crusted in the hair around my navel! […] I've tossed universes in my underpants while napping. Boom! A Milkyway shoots into my jockeyshorts: "Unngh … what's for fucking breakfast?!"

Cosa mi ha portato a pensare che siano (sic) copiate? Il fatto che sono pre '94 e che in quel periodo Luttazzi non collaborava proprio con nessuno in America (questo secondo la sua biografia su wikipedia). Inoltre, alcune battute nella versione di Luttazzi sono portate fuori contesto, come quella sull'agenda telefonica che, nella versione inglese, è inserita in un contesto ben preciso e plausibile. Quindi Bill Hicks è l'unico (apparte Emo Philips) ad avere battute in comune con Luttazzi? No, ne ho trovati altri. Per esempio George Carlin. Eccovi alcune battute sempre prese da wikiquote (quindi non è che ne ho potute leggere molte):

(questa è accreditata prima del '96 e nella versione di Luttazzi è modificata nella parte degli esempi)
Here's another question I have. How come when it's us, it's an abortion, and when it's a chicken, it's an omelette? Are we so much better than chickens all of a sudden? When did this happen, that we passed chickens in goodness. Name 6 ways we're better than chickens. See, nobody can do it! You know why? ‘Cause chickens are decent people. You don't see chickens hanging around in drug gangs, do you? No, you don't see a chicken strapping some guy into a chair and hooking up his nuts to a car battery, do you? When's the last chicken you heard about come home from work and beat the shit out of his hen, huh? Doesn't happen, 'cause chickens are decent people.

Religion easily has the best bullshit story of all time. Think about it. Religion has convinced people that there's an invisible man...living in the sky. Who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn't want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer, and burn, and scream, until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you. He loves you and he needs money.

[The entire segment with the sun and the Joe Pesci praying (instead Luttazzi uses Monica Bellucci); Luttazzi puts togheter the sun worshipping joke and the Joe Pesci one]

If there is a god, may he strike this audience dead.

Un altro satirico pre '99 che ho trovato è Mort Sahl (nato nel 1927):

(la battuta di Luttazzi era fra Berlusconi e Rutelli)
Reagan won because he ran against Jimmy Carter. If he ran unopposed he would have lost.

Poi ho trovato Jerry Seinfeld (che non ho mai seguito molto):

Dogs are the leaders of the planet. If you see two life forms, one of them's making a poop, the other one's carrying it for him, who would you assume is in charge?

It's amazing that the amount of news that happens in the world every day always just exactly fits the newspaper.

Credo che si potrebbe fare una ricerca approfondita sull'argomento guardando i monologhi dei satirici americani, il problema è che poco o niente del loro lavoro arriva qui in Italia. Io non mi considero del tutto a digiuno di comicità straniera, anzi, tuttavia è vero che proprio la satira spesso è meno diffusa (anche perché spesso ha troppo mordente per essere molto popolare). Io Bill Hicks fino ad un anno fa non sapevo nemmeno chi fosse. Se Luttazzi ha copiato, la questione è molto grave. Anche perché in ogni spettacolo Luttazzi si lamenta di comici italiani come Grillo, Benigni & co. che gli hanno copiato una battuta (pure Bonolis). E su questo fronte Luttazzi è sempre stato molto, diciamo, "aggressivo"; non ha mai tollerato i plagi su se stesso, quindi voglio sperare che vi sia una spiegazione al materiale qui fornito. E ribadisco, io sono convinto che sia giusto poter modificare battute, l'arte va avanti così, una tecnica comica può avere infinite forme, ma queste battute sono l'esatta trasposizione in italiano della versione inglese. Questa battuta di Lenny Bruce è molto simile (ma molto) a una di Luttazzi:

If Jesus had been killed twenty years ago, Catholic school children would be wearing little electric chairs around their necks instead of crosses.

Trovo che la modificazione, in questo caso, sia accettabile. Anche la battuta per cui hanno chiuso pretestuosamente Decameron è simile a un'altra battuta che anche Hicks ha fatto, ma non c'entra nulla con quel che ho riportato in questo post. Inoltre, ho evitato di cercare fra quotes di gente come Jay Leno di cui so che Luttazzi è un autore. Anche su Chris Rock non sono sicuro, queste due battute sono post '99:

Everytime a man's being nice to you [women], he's offering you dick.

It's beautiful that abortion is legal in America. I love going to abortion rallies to pick up women, cause you know they're fuckin'. You ain't gonna find a bunch of virgins at the abortion rally, you might even see some clear heels! [referring to strippers]

Nel caso quel che ho scritto finora corrispondesse alla verità, allora sarei fortemente deluso e non andrei mai più a guardare uno spettacolo di Luttazzi, nonostante egli abbia, in ogni caso, dei grandi meriti civili. Sempre per dirla con Luttazzi: "by-passare i sottoprodotti e giungere agli originali". Ogni possibile spiegazione sarebbe gradita.

AGGIUNTE

La prima manciata di battute erano solo la punta dell'Iceberg. Tratto da wikipedia (me l'ha linkato una persona in chat):

Santorum is a sexual neologism proposed by American humorist and sex-advice columnist Dan Savage in 2003 to "memorialize" then US Republican Senator Rick Santorum from Pennsylvania due to the controversy over his statements on homosexuality. Savage asked his readers to submit new definitions for the term; the winning definition was "that frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex."

Vi ricorda nulla? Il cosiddetto giulianone!

Giungendo al surreale, qualcuno su un forum mi ha detto che anche la battuta sulla mosca che vola dritta è di Carlin. Ho controllato e in effetti:

You know how you can tell when a moth farts? When he suddenly flies in a straight line.

È incredibile, per anni Luttazzi sì è letteralmente lamentato per mezz'ora in ogni suo spettacolo teatrale che Bonolis una volta a Striscia aveva detto codesta battuta ed egli l'aveva copiata in primis da Carlin? Credo che ciò si possa considerare un ultraplagio. Su questa storia a quanto pare c'è stata una polemica perché qualcuno gliel'ha fatto notare. Luttazzi ha risposto che, oltre ad aver [sic] migliorato la battuta, lui l'ha inserita nel monologo per una specie di caccia al tesoro per i suoi fan che devono divertirsi a scovare le varie "citazioni". Chissà quanto saranno contenti gli ignari autori americani da cui ha preso le battute di questa stupenda mega caccia al tesoro. Vedremo...

Intanto, un'altra battuta di Carlin plagiata da Luttazzi:

(la versione di Luttazzi è su Berlusconi al posto di "americani")
I don't believe there's any problem in this country, no matter how tough it is, that Americans, when they roll up their sleeves, can't completely ignore.

Un amico mi ha passato la sequenza copiata da Luttazzi di Hicks sulle droghe, aggiungendo una battuta alla lista:

Guy on acid... [quoted above]

Positive LSD story in the news [quoted above]

[The joke with Keith Richards' brain, which, when on drugs, makes the sound of "Satisfaction".] That's him on drugs? Give him some more! Let's see what else he pumps out!

Keith Richards outlived Jim Fixx... [quoted above]

Secondo me, assolutamente inaccettabile: un'intera sequenza di cinque minuti plagiata (e non vi sono dubbi, dato che è dell'89)!

Un altro segmento che ho trovato con battute molto simili è quello di Carlin sul femminismo contro la guerra nel quale parla del fatto che gli uomini vanno in guerra solo per dimostrare chi ce l'ha più grosso; e che tutti i proiettili e le bombe hanno forma fallica ecc. Ok, Luttazzi dice nella sua versione che le guerre sono solo un modo di dire che "il mio dio ce l'ha più grosso del tuo [segue parte sul maschilismo e sulle bombe e i proiettili che hanno forma fallica]". Quindi, anche se questo magari non è da considerarsi un plagio, si riconoscono comunque i pattern. (ndr. Anche quella de "il mio dio che ce l'ha più grosso del tuo" è di Carlin!)

Mi è stata passata un'altra battuta (è divenuta una caccia ormai) di Carlin sicuramente copiata (l'apparizione di Carlin è pressappoco degli anni '70 a occhio e croce):

Farts are shit without the mass.

Anche questa io me la ricordo molto bene inserita nel contesto "fatti poco noti a proposito della scoregge" di Luttazzi.

P.S. Un cosiddetto uovo di pasqua (o citazione) che trovai anni fa è la poesia di Cummings trattata come battuta: "The voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses.". Ecco, quello è un uovo di pasqua; mica inserire battute di altri comici col proprio nome, col risultato che chiunque ignora la battuta originale pensa che sia di Luttazzi.

EPILOGO: EMO PHILIPS

Visto che mi era ritornato il dubbio, ho contattato Emo Philips riguardo alle tre battute citate all'inizio (più una che parla di un quadro donato anonimamente a un museo e lui che va alla cassa e dice: "il donatore anonimo sono io e lo rivoglio"). In meno di 12 ore mi arriva la risposta di Emo. Ecco un estrapolato della sua risposta:

the jokes referenced are all jokes that i wrote by myself, for
myself. i have not sold any of them to anyone.

the first , second and fourth jokes are from my album e=mo
squared, first released in 1985, and now on CD.

the third joke you mentioned (loving wife - citizen) is from my
CD "Emo", released in 2001.

all of the above jokes have also been performed on american
television programs.

thank you so much for getting involved!

Quindi, Emo non le ha acquisite né vendute da/a nessuno! E tre delle quattro battute che ho menzionato sono dell'85, altro che '99! Se le cose stanno così come sembrano, non solo Luttazzi ha copiato, ma anni fa mi ha anche mentito dicendo che è stato lui a passarle a Emo! Vediamo se riesco a contattare anche Carlin... Peraltro, ho provato a contattare anche Luttazzi com'è giusto che sia, ma non ha risposto alla mia email. Intanto, ho trovato un'altra battuta di Emo datata 1983 che Luttazzi ha usato (l'ho vista in uno spezzone su youtube di qualche minuto):

You know when you are in bed at night and your house starts making noises you don't hear during the daytime, like "Emo I'm going to kill you...". Well, I remember that song: [sings a song I don't know]. And I start whispering [makes sound of whisper]. And I feel a hand around my neck and a voice "thanks, I thought I'd never find you in the dark".

Ci tengo a precisare che io ho trovato una grande quantità di battute uguali grazie al wikiquote e a youtube, sarebbe interessante vedere quante battute uguali troverei assistendo a un intero spettacolo di uno di questi comici americani. Attendiamo il seguito...

ACCUSA

Non so come reagiranno le altre persone. Alcuni, forse, mi diranno che potevo stare zitto, perché comunque Luttazzi si è schierato per delle cause giuste. Ma io non credo a questa sorta di ragionamenti: il mezzo, a mio parere, conta quanto il fine. E non credo nemmeno che si possa tacere solo perché la scorrettezza è stata commessa da "uno dei nostri", per carità! Sicuramente questa faccenda verrà sfruttata per attaccare Luttazzi anche su altri fronti. Ovviamente, mi dissocio (ora e in futuro) da tali atteggiamenti. Ciò che io contesto a Luttazzi sono le seguenti cose:

a) di aver copiato
b) di aver mentito sul fatto di aver copiato
c) di aver camuffato i plagi con una specie di caccia al tesoro
d) di aver criticato gente che apparentemente gli aveva copiato una battuta
e) di averlo fatto anche quando la battuta non era neanche sua (vedi battuta di Carlin sulla mosca)

Addirittura, sfogliando wikiquote, ho trovato questa email di Luttazzi diretta a chi gestiva il suo personale wikiquote:

Ciao. Sono Daniele Luttazzi. Qualcuno degli autori Wikiquote mi ha chiesto se ero d'accordo sulla pubblicazione di alcune mie battute. Ok, ma solo una decina. Di più è approfittarsene. Non costringetemi a ricorrere all'avvocato. Ho scelto personalmente le battute pubblicate su Wikiquote. Sono nella versione corretta: in internet girano spesso versioni parafrasate. Se vuoi una conferma, scrivimi a info@danieleluttazzi.it. Ciao e buon lavoro.

Solo una decina di battute perché di più è approfittarsene? Ricorrere all'avvocato contro dei ragazzi che magari citano 30-40 battute come per ogni comico? E te quante ne hai copiate, Daniele, spacciandole per tue? Ben più di dieci! Anche tu, quindi, ne hai approfittato! E senza nemmeno chiedere consenso agli autori (ovvio, sennò col cazzo che sarebbero finite nei tuoi libri e nei tuoi show tali battute).

In quanto ex-fan di Luttazzi non posso nemmeno spiegare che sensazione vomitevole ho provato leggendo il materiale da me raccolto. Probabilmente, una maggioranza di persone continuerà ad andare a vedere Luttazzi a teatro e riterrà che, in fondo, non è che sia così grave e via dicendo. Io posso solo testimoniare che moltissime persone, come me, si sono schierate in prima persona a difendere Luttazzi in ogni occasione, contro qualsiasi sopruso e che adesso sono rimaste fortemente deluse. Plagiare deliberatamente l'arte, a mio parere, è persino peggio che non pagare le tasse, dato che in parte i soldi guadagnati sono introiti rubati ad altri. Tanto più che ritengo che i soldi siano l'ultimo dei problemi in questa vicenda. Il problema principale è spacciare il talento altrui per proprio. Senza nemmeno considerare che Luttazzi mi ha implicitamente (per email) mentito sull'aver copiato e che in ogni spettacolo (o quasi) ha tartassato tutti con lui che si sveglia ogni giorno e compone poemi, che il plagio è la cosa peggiore tra comici, che Bonolis gli ha copiato la battuta della mosca, che a lui le battute vengono "così" (facilmente, spontaneamente, genialmente) ecc. C'è chi obietterà che, nonostante tutto, Luttazzi ha un repertorio tutto suo e che quindi, in ogni caso, ha determinati meriti. A ciò posso solo rispondere con la frase di un ex-fan amareggiato almeno quanto me: "anche se il 99% delle sue opere è originale e scritta da lui ai fan come me e [nome] non gliene può fregare un cazzo, la credibilità non c'è più!". Mi dispiace creare un'ulteriore mini-divisione in un paese frammentato come l'Italia, ma ci sono cose su cui non posso sorvolare, e comunque la questione sarebbe, prima o poi, venuta alla luce, anche senza il mio (modesto) contributo. Non ho idea se questa faccenda avrà conseguenze legali, ma credo che sia giusto che chiunque sappia a chi appartenga realmente una battuta.

Una delle difese (lo dico in anticipo) assunte da Luttazzi potrebbe consistere nel fatto che molte battute sono state leggermente modificate. Ma questa non è una scusa, la battuta per non considerarsi un plagio deve cambiare nella sua essenza. Si può usare la stessa tecnica comica, ma non basta cambiare due o tre parole e arrivare alla stessa conclusione comica. Anche perché, altrimenti, già la trasposizione da una lingua all'altra tutelerebbe dal plagio, poiché impone spesso una differenza di parole e, trattandosi di paesi differenti (e a volte anche di periodi), di contesti. Sarebbe onesto da parte di Luttazzi, invece di difendersi (o, peggio ancora, attaccare), fare un "mea culpa" e cercare di correggere la situazione. Ad ogni modo, non spetta a me indicare condotte da seguire, diciamo solo che ritengo che gli ex-fan come me lo apprezzerebbero.

Fornisco, inoltre, una versione inglese del testo, cosicché anche all'estero comici come Emo Philips sappiano come stanno le cose e prendano le misure che più parranno loro opportune. Sarebbe quantomeno giusto che nelle future edizioni dei libri di Luttazzi vi fosse scritto il nome originale dell'autore (o ispiratore, volendo usare un eufemismo) della battuta (sempre che esse non vengano proprio rimosse, non so come funzioni e se vi siano implicazioni di questo genere).

Ringrazio Emo Philips per tutta la sua disponibilità e confesso di ammirare molto il suo lavoro. Spero che questo mio post contribuisca ad aumentare le file del suo pubblico.

DANIELE LUTTAZZI RISPONDE

SCAMBIO DI EMAIL

È trascorso quasi un mese da quando mandai la prima email a Luttazzi (prima di publicare il post); e oggi, finalmente, mi ha risposto. Il post è già stato visto da tante persone, vediamo se con la risposta di Luttazzi si può chiudere questa faccenda. Tutte le email sono riportate nella loro forma integrale, non ho cambiato nulla (e ci mancherebbe anche). Riporto prima l'email che ho mandato quando il mio era solo un dubbio e non una certezza:

Oggetto: Hicks, Carlin, Seinfeld, Philips, Sahl ecc.

Testo:

Caro Daniele,

volevo chiederti come mai alcune tue battute coincidono con quelle di comici americani. So che da '99 hai lavorato per HBO (secondo quanto dice wikipedia), ma almeno Hicks è morto nel '94.

Segue la scambio di corrispondenza di questi due giorni fra me e Daniele Luttazzi.

Daniele Luttazzi:

Caro Tyuuen, da anni organizzo per i fan ( lo spiego sul blog ) una caccia al tesoro. Consiste nello scoprire battute e poesie di celebri autori americani che inserisco qua e là nei miei libri/monologhi. Chi scopre i riferimenti vince un libro o un cd. Gli ultimi due vincitori sono stati Davide Prevarin ( il tema era Chris Rock) e Mauro Madeddu ( Bill Hicks ). Con internet, il riferimento di solito viene scoperto subito, ma non sempre. La citazione di una poesia di e.e.cummings ( inserita in Adenoidi nel '94 ) è stata individuata solo nel 2001!

Mi diverto così. :-)

Ciao.

Daniele

Io:

Sì e fui proprio io anni fa ad individuare la citazione di Cummings, peraltro.
Ho trovato tante battute non solo di Hicks, ma di molti altri. Anni fa ti scrissi per chiederti come mai avevi in comune battute con Emo Philips e te mi dicesti che era perché dal '99 collabori con HBO. Non mi rispondesti al tempo con questa cosa della caccia al tesoro. Peraltro, Emo Philips non sapeva nulla del fatto che gli hai preso (o citato) una decina di battute.Di battute "citate" poi, ne ho trovate un bel po' (veramente non poche) di diversi autori. Peraltro, la battuta della mosca (questo si sapeva già) era di Carlin. Perché hai accusato Bonolis (che per carità farà pure pena) di averti plagiato? Ha solo raccontato la battuta sulla mosca, semmai ha plagiato Carlin (anche se l'avesse scoperta nel tuo spettacolo, comunque avrebbe plagiato Carlin). Inoltre se ricordi tu stesso dicesti che lo stesso Bonolis aveva giustificato il plagio con la mera citazione, allora cosa c'era di sbagliato? Non importa che Bonolis sia Bonolis, anche se è una persona spregevole o comunque non è un comico. Il concetto qua è un altro, ovvero il distinguere cosa sia citazione e cosa invece sia plagio/copia.Secondo il mio modesto parere una citazione ha una caratteristica dalla quale è indissolubile, ovvero la capacità per il lettore (o l'ascoltatore) di intuire che quel testo sia riportato da un'altra fonte a prescindere dalla conoscenza o meno della fonte medesima. Nella scrittura si usa il corsivo o le virgolette o entrambi. Nel parlato in genere o si usano le virgolette in aria oppure si cita direttamente l'autore nella forma di "come diceva tizio...". Poniamo che nel tuo caso fossero metodologie troppo esplicite, considerando lo scopo della "caccia", comunque avresti dovuto mantenere la stessa caratteristica propria della citazione, lasciando a chiunque la capacità di intendere che tale fosse, per esempio cambiando il tono di voce o assumendo sempre una determinata posizione o espressione solo durante la "citazione". Altrimenti non fai né più né meno quello che ha fatto lo stesso Bonolis, ovvero plagiare. E qui veniamo a quale invece sia la caratteristica fondamentale propria del plagio, ovvero il copiare qualcosa di qualcun altro ottenendone così vantaggi personali, economici o di popolarità. E il risultato è proprio questo, dato che quasi nessuno conosce i comici americani e le loro battute. Ovvero, la maggior parte delle persone pensano che quelle battute ti appartengano. Questo per quanto riguarda la "citazione", ovviamente cambia quando la citazione è in realtà un mero riferimento parziale, magari anche decontestualizzato, come nel caso della poesia di Cummings, che era perfettamente legittimo. Infatti, essendo una frase molto particolare e detta in modo particolare poteva spingere l'ascoltatore/lettore a farsi una ricerchina per curiosità o a far sorridere chi quel poeta lo conosceva. Però non c'era un grande vantaggio personale diretto nel dire quella frase. Per intendersi, non avrebbe mai indotto il classico "sting", il breve rullo di batteria tipico della battuta, non avrebbe "alzato il punteggio" per dirla in modo brutalmente riduttivo.

Daniele Luttazzi:

Caro Tyuuen, mi scuso allora se con la mia risposta ti ho indotto a equivocare. Il mio carteggio americano è con autori di serie tv comiche. Con loro scambio idee e battute. Non ho mai detto di averlo fatto con Philips, però, nè so che se ne fanno gli americani delle mie battute, anche se ogni tanto Jay Leno ne dice qualcuna ( e la cosa mi fa molto piacere, ovviamente ). Quando Benigni, il mese scorso, ha ripreso su Raiuno la mia battuta Bindi/Bondi, a chi me l'ha fatto notare ho risposto:-L'avrà trovata degna del suo genio.- L'arte della commedia è commedia dell'arte: siamo tutti nani sulle spalle di giganti.

La questione Bonolis, però, è diversa e non riguardava la paternità di quella battuta ( che è di Carlin ) ma il fatto che Bonolis l'avesse detta in tv due giorni dopo averla sentita da me a teatro, come lui stesso mi ha confermato. Il paradosso divertente è che la battuta di Carlin la usavo come esempio delle battute generiche che la tv permette e chiudevo dicendo:-La cosa triste è che di tutto il monologo politico di questa sera, questa della scoreggia della mosca sarà l'unica battuta che ricorderete.- E qui c'era la risata che volevo, su una battuta che fa satira sui gusti del pubblico. Come volevasi dimostrare, da tutto un monologo di due ore su Berlusconi, Bonolis ha poi estrapolato quella!

La caccia al tesoro mi serve soprattutto per un motivo di difesa legale: ti chiudono un programma o ti citano perchè sei volgare, tu dimostri che gli esempi citati vengono dalla tradizione satirica antica e moderna. Un vecchio trucchetto di Lenny Bruce, ripreso anche da Hicks. Se rivelassi in modo evidente la provenienza, lo stratagemma non funzionerebbe. ( A sua volta, Hicks riprende temi e battute da Bruce, come Carlin ( l'opera OMNIA di Carlin è in pratica una lunga variazione sul monologo di Bruce "SEMANTICA" ); Bruce rifaceva pari pari Joe Ancis; Woody Allen rifà Mort Sahl e Groucho Marx; Robin Williams è addirittura una tal girandola di citazioni che certi comici evitano di esibirsi se in sala c'è lui, certi che riprenderà le loro battute a modo suo magari da Letterman! Di Hicks e Carlin, fra l'altro, sono stato il primo a parlare in Italia, in un'intervista a Radio2, all'epoca di Barracuda. E citai come esempi proprio alcune delle battute che poi sono confluite nella caccia al tesoro. )

Considera sempre che nell'arte è il MODO che fa la differenza. Un comico rimproverò in pubblico il grande Eddie Foy perchè Foy aveva detto una sua battuta. Foy replicò:-Sì, ma io l'ho detta meglio.- Ovvero: nell'arte ha un valore l'originalità, ma ne ha uno altrettanto importante il miglioramento.

La caccia al tesoro mi permette così proprio questo: uno studio scientifico sulla variazione. Non è tanto il tema di una battuta a far scattare la risata, quanto la tecnica. E' il motivo per cui, quando un giornalista riproduce una battuta facendone la parafrasi, la battuta non ti fa ridere, al massimo sorridere. Ed ecco il mio studio: ho dimostrato a più riprese che, come una stessa frase diventa una battuta se ne cambi il contesto o il modo o l'intenzione, così una battuta acquista nuovi effetti e/o significati variando quegli elementi, o togliendo un avverbio, o spostando una virgola, o scegliendo un termine piuttosto che un altro. Le possibilità sono tantissime. Se riesco a ottenere una mutazione interessante ( risata maggiore e/o altro significato ) con una modificazione quasi nulla, per me è un gran risultato. Ma devo provarlo in teatro davanti a un pubblico. E' un lavoro in corso! A volte il risultato c'è, a volte no: ne ricavo sempre un insegnamento. Tu hai notato alcuni aspetti di queste mie povere ricerche che durano da ormai vent'anni. Spero di averti dato un po' il quadro d'insieme.

C'è di più: nella mia lezione sulla comicità di Woody Allen ( è sul blog in podcast ) racconto di nuovi sviluppi dal mio laboratorio: la gag visiva di Keaton della mucca in "Go west" è, dal punto di vista della topologia comica, IDENTICA alla battuta del clarinetto di Allen in "Io e Annie". Eppure apparentemente sono diversissime. Nessuna ricerca su Google avrebbe mai potuto far scoprire la cosa. Lì spiego perchè sono la stessa battuta.

Buon divertimento!

Daniele

Io:

Caro Daniele,

allora posto che ho frainteso io riguardo a Philips, comunque, il discorso della caccia al tesoro non l'avevi accennato al tempo (parliamo di qualche anno fa) quando ti chiesi di Philips. Comunque ok, ho sicuramente capito male io.

Capisco il senso della battuta sulla mosca, ma ricordo anche bene che te ti lamentasti a teatro dicendo "ora che l'ha detta Bonolis in tv non posso più dirla io, altrimenti mi direbbero: "eh ma questa l'ha già detta Bonolis"". Per evitare tutto ciò non sarebbe stato molto più semplice dire: "questa battuta non è né di Bonolis né mia, ma di Carlin". Problema risolto.

Lo scopo della caccia al tesoro, poi, non mi convince del tutto. Dici che, se rivelassi la fonte, lo strattagemma non funzionerebbe. E perché mai? Non sarebbe ancora più efficace dire "questa battuta è di tizio/caio" prima di dirla? In questo modo tutti saprebbero che ci sono altre persone che han fatto battute "forti" in altri paesi dove non vengono censurati. Inoltre, non tutte le battute che hai "citato" possono essere usate a questo scopo. Per esempio la battuta:

"Today a young man on acid, thought he could fly, jumped off a building, what a tragedy." What a dick! If he thought he could fly, why didn't he take off from the ground?

Non può certo essere usata per proteggersi legalmente o cose così. Quindi te mi dirai che questa è una perla per i fan o una cosa così.

Ma il problema principale che ponevo nell'email precedente e a cui tu non mi hai risposto era: una citazione non dovrebbe procurare vantaggi economici, di popolarità ecc.

Te mi hai scritto che molti comici si rifanno ad altri comici. Siccome non conosco così bene Bruce, non posso risponderti su di lui. Però, conosco a memoria il repertorio di Allen e Marx (film, libri, apparizioni in tv ecc.), e non mi risultano battute in comune fra i due. Anzi, una sì in effetti. Mi pare che ci fosse quella del club in comune ("non farei mai parte di un club che mi accetterebbe come membro"). Ma poi? Non mi pare che Allen prenda molte battute da Marx, seppure lo stile comico è quello. E non potrebbe neppure farlo, perché tutti se ne accorgerebbero, sono famosi entrambi nello stesso paese. Di Robin Williams, invece, semplicemente si sa che copia. Ma non lo considero nemmeno: sarà anche un comico, ma di certo non è un Autore rinomato nel settore.

Mi hai anche scritto che nell'arte ha un valore il miglioramento. Ora, messo anche che tu abbia detto "meglio" (e parlo dell'intonazione della voce, perché il testo è identico) le battute di Emo Philips rispetto a lui, ma non ha un valore anche la paternità della battuta? Cosa mi impedisce allora di prendere diverse battute tue che ritengo belle ed inserirle nel mio monologo e se tu poi ti lamenti, ti rispondo: "eh ma io le ho dette meglio e le ho migliorate". Il fatto che siamo entrambi in Italia? È solo quello? Allora, dai il permesso a tutti i comici stranieri di prendere tue battute, l'importante è che varino un po' (magari cambiando qualche nome), la inseriscano in un altro monologo e la dicano meglio. Non c'è problema, suppongo. Penso che anche gli altri si possano prendere la briga di cambiare una virgola o un termine, anche solo perché la trasposizione da una lingua all'altra lo esige di per sé.

Be', la variazione va bene, difatti anche la battuta di cristo crocifisso con un'erezione assomiglia a una battuta di Bruce. Ma questo va bene, la tecnica è riutilizzabile, ma prendiamo la sequenza di battute:

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"Today a young man on acid, thought he could fly, jumped off a building, what a tragedy." What a dick! If he thought he could fly, why didn't he take off from the ground?

Wouldn't you like to see a positive LSD story on the news? To hear what it's all about, perhaps? Wouldn't that be interesting? Just for once?"Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration . that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."

Keith Richards outlived Jim Fixx, the runner and health nut. The plot thickens. You remember Jim Fixx? This human cipher used to write books on jogging. Now, what do you fuckin' write about jogging? 'Right foot, left foot, faster, faster, oh hell, I dunno, go home, shower.' Pretty much covers the jogging experience, I do believe. Then this doofus goes out and has a heart attack and dies.... while jogging. There is a God.

[The joke with Keith Richards' brain, which, when on drugs, makes the sound of "Satisfaction".] That's him on drugs? Give him some more! Let's see what else he pumps out!
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Dove sta il miglioramento? È una sequenza di 5 minuti da uno spettacolo di Hicks che te hai riutilizzato pari pari. Be' sì, la battuta su Fixx cambia un po' perché in Italia nessuno sa chi sia stato Fixx e quindi sei costretto all'introduzione "Jim Fixx, l'inventore del jogging", ma per il resto cosa cambia? Sono quattro battute di fila prese tutte e quattro. Il fatto che tu abbia citato Hicks e Carlin su Radio2 non credo cambi molto. Non hai mai fatto questi nomi a teatro e non hai mai scritto nei tuoi libri la paternità delle battute. Quindi, il guadagno in popolarità, secondo me, c'è stato eccome! Io non so quanti abbiano seguito la tua intervista a Radio2, ma a quanto ho visto pochissime persone conoscevano queste "citazioni"...

Ora, se te mi dici che è tutto legittimo secondo te, ok. Allora, ritengo che abbiamo opinioni differenti a riguardo. Niente di grave.

Daniele Luttazzi:

Caro Tyuuen, se può servire come spunto di riflessione fra appassionati di comicità ti allego alcuni esempi di come gli autori dei lateshow USA si scambiano battute e le riadattano all'attualità o allo stile del comico. Il 19 giugno, Craig Ferguson, monologhista tv, dice nel suo programma:

Great day for Hillary Clinton. She choose the song for her campaign, a song by Celine Dion. Is it wise choosing a Celine Dion song? She’s a singer best known for doing a song based on a sinking ship.

La sera dopo, Jay Leno riprende l’idea nel proprio monologo:

Hillary Clinton has picked "You and I” by Celine Dion as her campaign theme song. And in a related story, John McCain’s campaign song is also by Celine Dion — it’s the theme from "Titanic.”

Il prossimo esempio coinvolge invece Jay Leno e Jon Stewart:

Apparently, Bush referred to the Pope as 'sir' rather than 'your holiness.' And also as 'stretch' and the ... 'Popeinator'" ---Jon Stewart

President Bush was in Rome ... and had a big gaffe at the Vatican. President Bush is in trouble for calling the Pope 'sir' instead of 'your holiness.' Hey, it could have been worse. I'm surprised he didn't call him the 'Popester'" ---Jay Leno

Nella tradizione del vaudeville americano, la tecnica della variazione sul tema è definita “ the old switcheroo ”. Tre anni fa, nel mio “Bollito misto” dicevo:

“Al Qaeda ha rivendicato la messa in onda di Domenica in”.

Il 13 giugno di quest’anno ecco Letterman riproporre la mia battuta, adattata alla notizia del giorno:

"This just in: al Qaeda is claiming credit for the vague ending of 'The Sopranos.”

Letterman mi ha copiato? No. Ha eseguito la sua variazione sul tema, usando una formula comica che ogni autore un po' esperto conosce.

Mi accorgo che la vediamo diversamente. Ma se pensassi di attribuirmi la paternità di battute di Hicks o Carlin o Philips o Seinfeld sarei un pazzo, dato che sono pubblicate da anni su video e cd e libri. Fra gli appassionati sono famosissime. Ecco perchè sono tranquillo che verranno prese per citazioni. E' come se uno accusasse Enrico Rava perchè nei suoi assoli ripete fraseggi di Miles Davis. Il fan riconosce la strizzatina d'occhio.

Grazie dello scambio di idee.

Buona giornata.

D

Nota Finale

Intanto, ringazio Luttazzi per la cortese risposta. Non ho mandato altre email perché secondo me non sarebbe stato molto utile. Infatti, è emersa una differenza di opinioni di fondo. In questa ultima mail Luttazzi mi ha risposto solo parzialmente a ciò che gli avevo chiesto. Il problema che per due email ho sollevato è che una citazione non dovrebbe far aumentare la popolarità del comico che la fa. Il fatto che Luttazzi scriva che non pretende di avere la paternità di quelle battute cambia poco. Che la battuta X non è sua lo so io e lo sa lui, ma chi dei fan italiani di Luttazzi è conscio che una battuta sia sua o meno? Parliamo di una minoranza piccolissima (nemmeno uno 0,1%) e anche chi conoscesse una battuta di Hicks non è detto che conosca anche tutti gli altri comici che Luttazzi ha "citato". Il risultato è che il fan attribuisce quelle battute a Luttazzi: anche nei suoi libri non vi è cenno della paternità di una battuta. Luttazzi non mi ha risposto riguardo ad Allen, Marx, ma mi ha citato invece esempi come Leno, Letterman e Ferguson, che io non considero autori. Conducono un Late Night Show quotidiano e lo sanno tutti che si fanno scrivere le battute. Che Luttazzi se la prenda o meno con Letterman perché gli ha preso una battuta è una questione che non mi riguarda. Comunque, almeno per me, non è affatto la stessa cosa di un Allen che prende battute da altri (come Groucho Marx). Inoltre, Luttazzi non mi ha risposto riguardo al discorso del prendere battute sue. Se la variazione è lecita a questi livelli allora qualsiasi comico francese o tedesco è autorizzato a pescare battute di Luttazzi e metterle nei propri libri. Io, però, ricordo molto bene cosa disse Luttazzi, parlando dei plagi tra comici, a teatro riguardo alla paternità di un'opera d'arte come una poesia (e una battuta è "come una piccola poesia"): "è come se un poeta volesse concludere la sua poesia con: - e m'illumino d'immenso - . No, non lo puoi fare!". Che differenza c'è? Io, in un mese di ricerca e di visione di spettacoli di comici come Carlin e Hicks, ho trovato almeno 40-50 (non le ho contate) battute identiche (sì ok, cambia una virgola o un termine, ma le battute sono proprio quelle). Non è che mi sia impegnato, le ho trovate senza sforzi. A questo punto, se queste battute (e il repository in cui sono raccolte continuerà a essere aggiornato via via) siano citazioni lecite o meno, dovrà essere il lettore a stabilirlo. Io resto dell'idea che sarebbe giustissimo riportare la paternità perlomeno nei libri. Mantengo il titolo originale del post: "Daniele Luttazzi Copia!", ma, se non siete d'accordo, potete leggerlo come "Daniele Luttazzi Cita!". Riguardo al fatto che Luttazzi mi abbia mentito nella prima email, lo ritiro, per carità, avrò equivocato io. Ma ricordo bene che non v'era traccia della "caccia al tesoro" in quella email.

Testimonianze

2008-01-25T15:26:00.009+01:00

[Questa è una testimonianza riportata da headbox il 21/07/2009]
Riporto un pezzo integrale di Adenoidi 2003 (tempo 1:09:00 circa): "I comici sono una specie di setta, così come i maghi fondamentalmente, cioè fra di noi ci conosciamo tutti quanti sappiamo quali sono i monologhi l'uno dell'altro sappiamo chi inventa sappiamo chi copia c'è una gerarchia ben stabilita ecc... così come i maghi i maghi sanno chi fa i trucchi chi copia ecc... ORA ESISTE UNA DEONTOLOGIA NESSUN COMICO COPIA MAI LE BATTUTE DI UN ALTRO COMICO E' VIETATO PERCHE' E' L'UNICA COSA CHE ABBIAMO, CI SI PICCHIA QUANDO CAPITA, CI SI STRANGOLA SIAMO DEI KILLER FONDAMENTALMENTE SE CAPITA UNA COSA DEL GENERE. Nell'ambiente c'è ancora un aneddoto che riguarda Faletti che picchiò Paolo Rossi per un equivoco del genere [..] (cita la battuta della mosca "copiata" da Paolo Bonolis e detta a Striscia la Notizia) Al che io telefono ad Antonio Ricci dicendo "Senti Antonio spiega a Bonolis che noi comici strangoliamo quando capitano cose del genere io adesso quella battuta lì non potrò più dirla NOI COMICI DICIAMO COSE NUOVE NOI COMICI NON POSSIAMO RIPETERE UNA COSA [...] (il giorno dopo Ricci richiama Luttazzi dicendogli che Bonolis aveva detto "io ero consapevole che la battuta sulla mosca fosse di Luttazzi, cos'è adesso non posso neanche CITARE LE BATTUTE CHE MI PIACCIONO?") e Luttazzi :"AAAHHHH CI-TA-RE (evidenziando il termine con tono e sguardo come a dire "sì certo come no, citare")"

Sono senza parole, davvero.
Non posso credere che battute come quella della mosca, Storace che dice "basta" ai suoi scagnozzi, Keith Richards che sopravvive all'inventore del jogging e molte altre che come qualche utente ha già scritto rappresentano parecchio dell' "alto" ormai attribuito a Luttazzi, non gli appartengano.

Ascoltando questo pezzo di Seinfeld http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca2JwbOXnhg dal minuto 1:30 fa la gag delle confezioni di latte dove è scritto esattamente il giorno di scadenza + gesto di marchiare a fuoco la data sulla confezione + cucchiaino che trema se si beve il latte il giorno dopo la scadenza + mucca che appena fatto il latte dice il giorno esatto della scadenza. Insomma avete capito la stessa gag di Daniele in non mi ricordo quale spettacolo (ho cercato un pò ma non l'ho trovata ma sono sicuro di ricordarmela) considerando il punto dove siete arrivati non sarà un problema verificare (sempre se ne abbiate ancora voglia) chi ha copiato chi, anche se io ormai non ho più molta fiducia nel ragazzo di Santarcangelo.

2 anni fa scrissi tramite myspace a Daniele per segnalargli la battuta (già da voi individuata) sempre di Seinfeld "Dogs are the leaders of the planet. If you see two life forms, one of them's making a poop, the other one's carrying it for him, who would you assume is in charge?" lui mi rispose così

"Caro headbox, grazie della segnalazione, ma la battuta è mia. Per colpa di internet, ne vedo diverse ormai attribuite a questo e a quello. Non posso difendermi. C'è di peggio. Un mese fa, Jay Leno ha detto due battute prese pari pari dal mio Tabloid del 1996! Come si spiega? I suoi autori, come quelli di Seinfeld, setacciano internet. Non c'è protezione. Ne scriverò altre.

Ciao.

D."

Ma quali inside jokes? Nel caso io l'avevo scoperto e glielo avevo segnalato, altro che libri e cd lui parla di "protezione" perchè le battute sono cose da difendere.
Quante persone sanno che parte degli spettacoli di Luttazzi sono copiati da altri comici americani? Quasi nessuno. Io seguo Luttazzi da anni, mi considero un fan devoto e lo scopro solo ora. Non prendiamoci per il culo, Daniele abbi l'umiltà di dire che alcune battute non sono tue, devi segnalare TUTTE le "citazioni" che hai fatto..
Poi anche questa storia della Palestra ora sul suo sito, che sia o no un'idea derivata dal forum Spinoza poco me ne cale, ma poi ne farà un libro edito Feltrinelli.
A chi andranno quei soldi?
Daniele io ti ho dato dei soldi anche perchè pensavo che delle battute geniali come quella della mosca fossero tue e solo tue.
E poi cos'è questa storia del limite di 10 battute su Wikiquote sennò chiami l'avvocato? Ma Cristo di Dio stiamo veramente parlando di Daniele Luttazzi che minaccia di chiamare l'avvocato se si pubblicano più di 10 battute su Wikiquote?

Non è giusto generalizzare e Daniele rimane per me uno dei più grandi autori di satira politica italiani ma cominciano ad esserci troppi "Dark Side" e comportamenti che veramente quelli si appartengono al paese dei sottosopra.
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[Questa è datata 10/11/2009 da parte di Paolo Burini]
A pag. 78 del libro 'Adenoidi' c'è una battuta che trovo geniale: "Quando viaggiate in avanti su una macchina del tempo, evitate di sporgere il gomito fuori dal finestrino, o vi diventerà un fossile."
Tradotta in inglese fa: "When you're riding in a time machine way far into the future, don't stick your elbow out the window, or it 'll turn into a fossil."
L'ho scritta in inglese su Google. Risultato: il vero autore è Jack Handey, autore americano nato nel 1949, famoso per aver scritto per il Saturday Night Live negli anni '70 e per i suoi libri di battute 'Deep Thoughts'.

Quello che Luttazzi spaccia per il meglio del suo repertorio è in realtà il meglio della comicità di tutti i tempi (vedi Carlin sulla religione, Hicks sulla droga, Schimmel sul sesso...). Luttazzi non è il genio che per anni ci ha fatto credere di essere: è solo un simulacro della genialità comica.
Da quando ho scoperto che Luttazzi ruba ai comici anglosassoni, ho smesso di seguirlo e sono passato direttamente a loro. A questo indirizzo http://www.rerosso.it/comedysubs/ potete trovare i monologhi sottotitolati di Bill Hicks, George Carlin, Chris Rock...

Paolo Burini

[Questa è datata 19/11/2009 da parte di Sbacknsbrinz]
Ciao, ecco che è arrivata.
La notifica di violazione del copyright da parte della Krassner entertainment del nostro eroe per aver violato non so quale copyright (dato che non c'era nulla di luttazzi nel mio video, sempre che non ammetta di copiare!)
Non sono riuscito a contattare qualcuno di youtube per avere chiarimenti ma nel frattempo il mio video è già leggenda e io non so nemmeno PERCHE'!!!!
Non mi resta che scrivere a Luttazzi direttamente...vediamo se risposnde e cosa dice...ma secondo me otterrò soltanto di essere bannato dal suo sito...
Dio se mi girano le palle....

[Questa è una testimonianza riportata da Hertbert il 16/03/2010]

da La Repubblica, 03.02.01 (http://ricerca.repubblica.it/repubblica/archivio/repubblica/2001/02/03/lettere.html)

Le battute di "Satyricon"
Daniele Luttazzi (Roma)
Alcuni giornalisti (l'ultimo è l'ottimo Antonio Dipollina) suggeriscono che avrei nascosto al telespettatore le somiglianze fra il mio "Satyricon" e il "David Letterman Show" della Cbs. Lungi da me l'idea. Il mio debito però non col Lettermann, ma col talk-show originale cui lo stesso Letterman si ispira: il "Tonight Show" inventato nel 1962 dal grande Johnny Carson e trasmesso per 30 anni dalla Nbc. Da allora, tutti i talk-show notturni americani (sono una decina) ricalcano quella formula fortunata: monologo di apertura sui fatti della settimana, tre ospiti, alcune rubriche comiche (ad esempio la Lista, che Letterman ha copiato dal quotidiano "Usa Today", e che per questo motivo ha potuto portare con sé passando dalla Nbc alla Cbs nel ' 93. Cfr. R. Lennon, "David Letterman on stage and off", Pinnacle Books, New York 1994). "Satyricon" fa un passo oltre: gli ospiti vengono coinvolti in sketch umoristici. Una mia idea, che nessun talk-show americano ha. In più, "Satyricon" narra una piccola sit-com sulle mie disastrate vicende sentimentali, delle quali il talk-show finisce per essere un contrappunto. Infine, tutte le battute di "Satyricon" sono originali. (Se si sostiene il contrario occorre fare degli esempi precisi, altrimenti mi si devono delle scuse).

[Questa è datata 09/04/2010 da parte di Fausto]

Sempre per la sezione "Incongruenze Patologiche":

In questa (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3LqC0lJTrw) intervista a Luttazzi a Radio Deejay [Maggio 2007] dal 4° minuto la discussione si fa interessante.
Si parla del Letterman Show e degli autori.
Linus: "Tu sei un autore di te stesso"
Luttazzi: "Sì"
Linus: "....e non potresti mai lavorare con altri autori o perlomeno faresti molta fatica".
Luttazzi: "Il mio divertimento è scrivere battute e dirle alla gente in modo che il pubblico rida. Il mio divertimento è quello, quindi NON MI DIVERTIREI A DIRE BATTUTE SCRITTE DA UN ALTRO".

In effetti durante i suoi spettacoli piange di continuo.

[Questa è datata 10/04/2010 da parte di Fausto]

Da un'intervista di Repubblica del 2001 (poco prima di Satyricon):

Come lavora? «Leggo tutti in giornali del mondo. Prendo appunti e scrivo le battute. Faccio una scrematura iniziale, alla fine una ventina vanno bene e le tengo. Poi ne restano otto, nove. C'è metodo nella comicità. Tutto nasce dalla mia reazione alla realtà quotidiana. L'importante non è dare un messaggio, ma far ridere». Alcuni la considerano geniale, altri trovano la sua comicità agghiacciante. Non si sente un po' carogna? «Ho un mio mondo perverso ed esprimo anche quello. La moralità di un comico è fare battute che fanno ridere lui per primo. Io rido alle mie battute, anche se spesso non sono d'accordo con quello che dico. Non bisogna essere ideologici. Nella risata c'è sempre verità». Qual è il limite tra comicità e volgarità? «Non sono come i comici toscani, non mi sentirete dire parolacce per far ridere. Ho avuto un'educazione cattolica molto rigida, a volte rido, sapendo per primo che forse esagero». Quali sono i punti di riferimento? «Woody Allen, ma anche Luis de Funès, Danny Kaye. Per la commedia sofisticata, Lubitsch e Billy Wilder. Tra gli italiani Walter Chiari, e sto scoprendo adesso il Tognazzi degli anni Settanta. Meraviglioso, tragico e comico insieme, forse poco capito. Per pochi. Come i libri. Dicono: "La gente non legge". E' giusto, i libri non sono per tutti"».

Strano che non abbia nominato Carlin, Hicks, ecc. Vabè ma tanto l'aveva già fatto nella fantomatica intervista a Radio2.

Daniele Luttazzi plagiarizes!

2008-01-22T03:36:00.007+01:00

To read the italian version of the text, click here.

Daniele Luttazzi is a very famous italian satirist (perhaps the most famous after Dario Fo). You can find more information about him on Wikipedia.

All plagiarized jokes are reported here. The article itself won't be updated with more plagiarized jokes. Eventually, I started finding plagiarized jokes by simply translating the best of Luttazzi's jokes into english and googling them. It's just sad.

First of all, I want to say that I had been (until now) a huge fan of Luttazzi and that I know every joke he ever said or wrote. I saw every show and read every book. And this is the reason why I'm writing this post.

INITIAL DOUBT

Once I wrote to Luttazzi to ask why the american comedian Emo Philips had in his repertoire some jokes in common with him (I paste them here):

People come up to me and say, "Emo, do people really come up to you?"

I ran three miles today... finally I said, "Lady, take your purse."

I always wanted a beautiful loving wife and she always wanted to be a citizen.

He answered me that starting from 1999 (after he hosted a show called Barracuda) he was working at HBO as "script doctor" and that he was giving some of his jokes to american comedians like Jay Leno. So, I dropped the whole thing (and this was a mistake, we'll see later why). Now, after a few years, I discovered together with a friend of mine (the one who linked me a joke by Bill Hicks identical to one by Luttazzi) jokes written by american comedians long time before '99. Let's take for example Hicks (who died of cancer in 1994). Here are some of his jokes which I found on wikiquote (it's not like I saw the whole shows or read the books). The identical parts to the italian jokes by Luttazi are in bold.

Not all drugs are good. Some … are great.

I actually did that act one night in the south. Then, after the show, these three rednecks came up to me. "Hey, buddy! We're Christians and we didn't like what you said." I said, "Then forgive me."

And by the way, that 3 month old kid in your belly is not a fucking human being, okay? It's a bunch of little congregated cells. You're not a human … till you're in my phone book.

I'm sorry if anyone here is Catholic. I'm not sorry if you are offended, I'm actually sorry – just the fact that you're Catholic. Gotta be one of the most ludicrous fucking beliefs ever. Like these vampire priests sink their twin fangs of guilt and sin into you as a child and suck your joy of life out of you the rest of your fucking existence.

Wouldn't you like to see a positive LSD story on the news? To hear what it's all about, perhaps? Wouldn't that be interesting? Just for once?
"Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration … that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."

Keith Richards outlived Jim Fixx, the runner and health nut. The plot thickens. You remember Jim Fixx? This human cipher used to write books on jogging. Now, what do you fuckin’ write about jogging? ‘Right foot, left foot, faster, faster, oh hell, I dunno, go home, shower.’ Pretty much covers the jogging experience, I do believe. Then this doofus goes out and has a heart attack and dies.... while jogging. There is a God. ‘Right foot, left foot, hemorrhage.

"Today a young man on acid, thought he could fly, jumped off a building, what a tragedy." What a dick! If he thought he could fly, why didn't he take off from the ground?

This is it, folks. This is the idea which has kept me virtually unknown for the past 16 years. I have watched my crowds dwindle. I am going nowhere, and nowhere quick, but, those of you who have children, I am sorry to tell you this, but they are not special. Wait! I know some of you are going: "What, what?" Let me just clarify: I know you think they're special … ha ha ha! I'm aware of that. I'm just here to tell you that they're not! Ha ha ha ha! Sorry. Did you know that every time a guy comes, he comes two-hundred million sperm? One out of two-hundred million – that load, we're only talking about one load – connected: Gee, what are the fucking odds? Do you know what that means? I've wiped nations off of my chest with a grey gym sock. Entire civilizations have flaked and crusted in the hair around my navel! […] I've tossed universes in my underpants while napping. Boom! A Milkyway shoots into my jockeyshorts: "Unngh … what's for fucking breakfast?!"

What made me think that these jokes were plagiarized? The fact that they were written/said before '94 and at that time Luttazzi wasn't working with anyone in the US (that's what the biography says on Wikipedia). Moreover, some of the jokes in Luttazzi's version are out of context, like the one with phone book which in the english version fits in a precise and plausible context. So, Bill Hicks is the only one (apart from Emo Philips) who has jokes in common with Luttazzi, right? Nope, I found other comedians. For instance, George Carlin. Here are some jokes taken from Wikiquote (this means I just read a few):

(this is credited to be before '96 and in Luttazzi's version it changes a bit in the examples part)
Here's another question I have. How come when it's us, it's an abortion, and when it's a chicken, it's an omelette? Are we so much better than chickens all of a sudden? When did this happen, that we passed chickens in goodness. Name 6 ways we're better than chickens. See, nobody can do it! You know why? ‘Cause chickens are decent people. You don't see chickens hanging around in drug gangs, do you? No, you don't see a chicken strapping some guy into a chair and hooking up his nuts to a car battery, do you? When's the last chicken you heard about come home from work and beat the shit out of his hen, huh? Doesn't happen, 'cause chickens are decent people.

Religion easily has the best bullshit story of all time. Think about it. Religion has convinced people that there's an invisible man...living in the sky. Who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn't want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer, and burn, and scream, until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you. He loves you and he needs money.

[The entire segment with the sun and the Joe Pesci praying (instead Luttazzi uses Monica Bellucci); Luttazzi puts togheter the sun worshipping joke and the Joe Pesci one]

If there is a god, may he strike this audience dead.

Another satirist before '99 which I found is Mort Sahl (born in 1927):

(Luttazzi's joke is between Berlusconi and Rutelli)
Reagan won because he ran against Jimmy Carter. If he ran unopposed he would have lost.

Then I found Jerry Seinfeld:

Dogs are the leaders of the planet. If you see two life forms, one of them's making a poop, the other one's carrying it for him, who would you assume is in charge?

It's amazing that the amount of news that happens in the world every day always just exactly fits the newspaper.

I believe that one could really do a deep research on this subject by watching shows of american satirists and comedians. The problem is that very little of their work reaches Italy. I don't consider myself totally ignorant in the matter of english comedy, on the contrary, but it's true that satirical shows are often less known in other countries. Until a year ago I didn't even know who Bill Hicks was, and I'm discovering his comedy only now. The matter would be really serious if Luttazzi plagiarized these other comedians. Also because in every show Luttazzi accuses other italian comedians like Grillo, Benigni, Bonolis (an italian entertainer) etc. who apparentely plagiarized one of his jokes. And on this front Luttazi has always been very, let's say, "aggressive"; he never tolerated plagiarism against him. So, I hope that there's an explanation for the material I posted here. And I repeat, I'm convinced that it's ok to modify jokes, art proceeds this way, a comedy technique can come in unlimited shapes, but these jokes are the exact transposition in italian of the english version. This joke by Lenny Bruce is very similar to one of Luttazzi's jokes:

If Jesus had been killed twenty years ago, Catholic school children would be wearing little electric chairs around their necks instead of crosses.

I believe that in this case the similarity is acceptable. Also the joke which was pretentiously used to get Decameron (a show hosted in 2007 by Luttazzi) off the air is very similar to a joke by Hicks. But that's really not plagiarism and has nothing to do with what I wrote in this post. Moreover, I avoided looking through wikiquotes of people like Jay Leno (since Luttazzi is one of his authors). I'm also not sure about Chris Rock, these two jokes come after 1999:

Everytime a man's being nice to you [women], he's offering you dick.

It's beautiful that abortion is legal in America. I love going to abortion rallies to pick up women, cause you know they're fuckin'. You ain't gonna find a bunch of virgins at the abortion rally, you might even see some clear heels! [referring to strippers]

In case what I wrote until now happens to be true, then I'd be very disappointed and I wouldn't go to one of Luttazzi's shows ever again, even if he has, after all, some great civil merits. To quote Luttazzi: "bypass the sub-products and get to the originals". Every possible explanation would be appreciated.

ADDITIONS

The first collections of jokes was only the tip of the iceberg. Taken from Wikipedia (it was linked to me by a person on IRC):

Santorum is a sexual neologism proposed by American humorist and sex-advice columnist Dan Savage in 2003 to "memorialize" then US Republican Senator Rick Santorum from Pennsylvania due to the controversy over his statements on homosexuality. Savage asked his readers to submit new definitions for the term; the winning definition was "that frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex."

Does it ring any bells? The so called "giulianone"!
Luttazzi renamed "Santorum" to "giulianone". Giuliano Ferrara is a pro-life, pro-war, pro-Berlusconi, pro-torture etc. italian journalist.

Getting surreal: someone on a forum told me that also the joke with the moth which flies straight was written by Carlin. I checked and in fact:

You know how you can tell when a moth farts? When he suddenly flies in a straight line.

This is incredible! For years Luttazzi literally complained for half an hour in every of his shows because once Paolo Bonolis (an italian entertainer) told this joke on "Striscia La Notizia" (a show Bonolis hosted), and he (Luttazzi) took it from Carlin in the first place? I think this could be defined as ultra-plagiarism. Apparently, there has been a controversy about this incident, because someone after years told the truth about this joke. Luttazzi answered that, apart from [sic] improving the joke, he inserted it into his monolgue for a sort of treasure hunt for his fans who should play finding these "quotations". I wonder how happy the unknowing american authors from which he took these jokes will be about this big treasure hunt. Will see...

In the meanwhile, another of Carlin's jokes plagiarized by Luttazzi:

(Luttazzi's version is about Berlusconi instead of "americans")
I don't believe there's any problem in this country, no matter how tough it is, that Americans, when they roll up their sleeves, can't completely ignore.

A friend of mine gave me piece of Hicks about drugs plagiarized by Luttazzi. Thus, adding another joke to the list:

Guy on acid... [quoted above]

Positive LSD story in the news [quoted above]

[The joke with Keith Richards' brain, which, when on drugs, makes the sound of "Satisfaction".] That's him on drugs? Give him some more! Let's see what else he pumps out!

Keith Richards outlived Jim Fixx... [quoted above]

This is, in my opinion, totally unacceptable: an entire piece of 5 minutes being plagiarized (and there are no doubts about this, since it's dated 1989)!

Another piece I found in which the jokes are very similar is the one by Carlin about femminism against war where he talks about the fact that men go to war only to demonstrate who has the biggest dick; and that all bullets and bombs have the shape of a penis etc. Ok, Luttazzi says that in his version that wars are only a way to say "my god has a bigger dick than your god [follows part about chauvinism and about bombs and bullets which have a phallic shape]". Thus, even if this can't be considered plagiarism, one can at least recognize the pattern. (note: even the one with "my god has a bigger dick than your god" is by Carlin!)

Another joke by Carlin which was linked to me (it became a hunt) was surely plagiarized: the video, I guess, is of the '70s:

Farts are shit without the mass.

I can remember this joke quite well in the context of "little known facts about farts" by Luttazzi.

P.S. A so called easter egg (or quotation) I found years ago is a poem by Cummings quoted as a joke: "The voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses". See? This is an easter egg; not writing jokes of other comedians in your own book with your name, with the result that everyone who doesn't know the original joke thinks that it belongs to you.

EPILOGUE: EMO PHILIPS

Since the doubt came back to me, I wrote to Emo Philips concerning the three jokes I quoted above (plus another one about a Van Gogh picture donated anonimously to a museum). In less than 12 hours I got Emo's answer:

the jokes referenced are all jokes that i wrote by myself, for
myself. i have not sold any of them to anyone.

the first , second and fourth jokes are from my album e=mo
squared, first released in 1985, and now on CD.

the third joke you mentioned (loving wife - citizen) is from my
CD "Emo", released in 2001.

all of the above jokes have also been performed on american
television programs.

So, Emo didn't buy nor sell these jokes from/to anybody! And three of the four jokes which I mentioned are dated 1985, so much for 1999! If things really are as they seem, then Luttazzi did not only plagiarize, but he would've lied years ago by telling me that it was him who gave those jokes to Emo! Let's see if I manage to contact Carlin as well... I also tried to contact Luttazi, because it's only fair, but I didn't receive any answer to my email. In the meanwhile, I found another joke by Emo dated 1983 which Luttazzi plagiarized (I saw this joke being told in a short video on Emo's homepage):

You know when you are in bed at night and your house starts making noises you don't hear during the daytime, like "Emo I'm going to kill you...". Well, I remember that song: [sings a song I don't know]. And I start whispering [makes sound of whisper]. And I feel a hand around my neck and a voice "thanks, I thought I'd never find you in the dark".

I'd like to state that I found a great amount of identical jokes thanks to Wikiquote and Youtube, it would be interesting to see how many jokes I'd find by watching an entire show of one of these american comedians. Let's see what happens next...

CHARGE

I don't know how other people will react. Some of them might tell me that I shouldn't have written anything, because Luttazzi fought for good causes. But I don't believe in this kind of reasoning: how one achieves things matters to me. And I neither believe that one can simply wash his hands of the whole thing only because the bad was done by "one of ours", not at all!
Surely, this matter will be used to attack Luttazzi even on other fronts. Obviously, I disagree (now and in the future) with those actions. What I blame Luttazzi for is this:

a) having plagiarized
b) having lied about the plagiarism
c) having camouflaged the plagiarism with a sort of treasure hunt
d) having criticized other people who apparentely had plagiarized one of his jokes
e) having done this even when the joke wasn't his own (see the joke by Carlin about the moth)

Moreover, by going through Wikiquote, I found this email by Luttazzi to the people who were handling his own Wikiquote page:

Hello. I'm Daniele Luttazzi. Someone of the Wikiquote authors asked me if I agreed with the quoting of some of my jokes. Ok, but only ten. More would mean taking advantage. Don't force me to call my lawyer. I personally chose the jokes for Wikiquote. They're in the correct verion: on the internet you find many modified version. If you want a confirmation, write me at info@danieleluttazzi.it. Bye and good work.

Only ten jokes because otherwise it would mean taking advantage? Calling your lawyer against boys who maybe quote 30 or 40 jokes as for every comedian on Wikiquote? And you, Daniele, how many jokes did you plagiarize putting your name on them? Lots more than ten! Thus, you took advantage! And without the authors' consent (no way those jokes would've been inserted in your books and your shows otherwise).

As ex-fan of Luttazzi I can't even explain the repulsive sensation I felt reading the material I collected. Probably, a majority of people will keep going at Luttazzi's shows in theatre and will think that, after all, this isn't that bad etc. I can only testify that many people like me stood up for Luttazzi on every occasion, against every injustice and are now hugely disappointed. To deliberately plagiarize art is, in my opinion, even worse than not paying taxes, since part of the earned money is being stolen from others. Moreover, I think money is the last problem in this matter. The main problem is putting one's name on other people's talent. Not even mentioning that Luttazzi implicitly (through email) lied to me about having plagiarized Emo and that in every show (or almost) he talked about him waking up every morning and writing poems (jokes), that plagiarism is the worst things among comedians, that Bonolis plagiarized the joke with the moth, that he makes up jokes just like that (easily, spontaneously) etc. Other people might say that, despite of everything, he has his own repertoire and, for that, he deserves credit. I can only answer that by quoting another ex-fan disappointed as much as myself: "even if 99% of his work belongs to him, fans like me and [says name] cannot care less, his credibility is zero!". I'm sorry of creating another mini-division in a country fragmented like Italy, but there are things I can't ignore, and anyway the matter would've, sooner or later, come to light, even without my (humble) contribution. I have no idea if this matter will have legal effects, but I believe it would be right to let anyone know who these jokes belong to.

One of the excuses (I say it in advance) used by Luttazzi could rely on the fact that many of the plagiarized jokes have been slightly modified. But this isn't a valid excuse! A joke to not be considered as being plagiarized has to change in its comic essence. You can use the same comic technique, but changing two or three words and then having the same comic conclusion is not acceptable. Otherwise, the transposition from one language to another alone would save from plagiarism, since it often forces a change of words and, since we're talking of different countries (and sometimes even different periods), a change of contexts. The right thing to do for Luttazzi, instead of looking for excuses (or attacking), would be to take responsability and to try to pay his debt (in one way or another). Anyway, it's not my duty or right to tell people how they should behave, I can only say that ex-fans like me would at least appreciate this kind of gesture.

Also, I'm offering an english version of this text, so that even comedians in the US like Emo Philips will know how things are and can take the measures which seem more appropriate to them. It would only be right if in future editions of Luttazzi's books will be written the name of the author (or inspirator, if we want to use an euphemis) of the original joke. I mean if those jokes won't be completely removed, I don't know if there could be these kind of implications.

I'd like to thank Emo Philips for all his help and I confess that I admire his work a lot. I hope that this post will contribute in making Emo's audience grow even more.

DANIELE LUTTAZZI ANSWERS

EMAIL EXCHANGE

A month has already passed since I sent my first email to Luttazzi (before I posted this article); and today, finally, he answered me. The post has already been read by many people, let's see if Luttazzi's answers clarify the matter. All emails have been reported entirely, I haven't changed a thing. Here's my first email which I sent when I was only in doubt and not certain about the whole thing:

Subject: Hicks, Carlin, Seinfeld, Philips, Sahl etc.

Text:

Dear Daniele,

I wanted to ask you why some of your jokes have been told by american comedians. I know that from 1999 you have worked for HBO (as wikipedia says), but at least Hicks died in 1994.

What follows is the 2-days mail exchange between me and Daniele Luttazzi.

Daniele Luttazzi:

Dear Tyuuen, I have been organizing for years for my fans (I explain that on my blog) a treasure hunt. It involves in discovering jokes and poetry by famous american authors which I insert here and there in my books/monologues. Those who discover the references win a book or a cd. The last two winners were Davide Prevarin ( the topic was Chris Rock) and Mauro Madeddu ( Bill Hicks ). With internet, the references is promptly discovered, but not always. The quote of a poetry by e.e.cummings ( inserted in Adenoidi in 1994) has only been discovered in 2001!

I have my fun. :-)

Ciao.

Daniele

Myself:

Yes and it was me who years ago discovered the Cummings quote.
I have found many jokes not only by Hicks, but by many others. Years ago I wrote you to ask you how come you had so many jokes in common with Emo Philips and you answered me that it was because since 1999 you work for HBO. You didn't mention anything about this treasure hunt. Moreover, Emo Philips didn't know anything about the fact that you took (or quoted) about ten of his jokes. I've found many “quoted” jokes (really not few) by many authors. Also, the joke about the fly (which was already known) was by Carlin. Why did you accuse Bonolis (and he may be pathetic) of plagiarizing you? He only told the joke about the fly, that would plagiarize Carlin (even if he discovered the “fly” joke during your monologue, in either case he would have plagiarized Carlin).
Also, if your remember, you said it yourself that Bonolis justified his plagiarism with the mere quotation excuse, what's wrong then? It doesn't matter that Bonolis is Bonolis, even if he is contemptible as a person or at least not a comedian. The matter is another one: to distinguish what is quotation and what plagiarism/copy. In my humble opinion, a quotation has one characteristic to which it is bound: the ability for the reader (or the listener) to guess that the text has been taken from another source, regardless if the reader knows the other source or not. When writing one would use italic fonts or quotation marks or both. When speaking, generally, one would mimic quotation marks with the fingers or the author is mentioned like by saying “like X used to say...”. Let's assume that in your case both methodologies were too explicit, considering the “treasure hunt” goal, even if, you should have maintained the main characteristic of a quotation by leaving anyone the ability to guess that it was such, for instance by changing the tone of your voice or by assuming a certain position or expression only during the “quotation”. Otherwise you do exactly like Bonolis did: to plagiarize. And here we come to the main characteristic of plagiarism: taking something from somebody to gain advantages, either personally, economically or for popularity reasons. And the result is exactly this one, since almost nobody knows those american comedians and their jokes.
Meaning that most people think that those jokes are yours. This for what concerns the “quotation”, obviously it's different when the quotation is a mere partial reference, maybe decontextualized, like in the case of Cummings' poetry, which was perfectly legitimate. In fact, because it was a very particular sentence and said in a particular way it could suggest to the listener/reader to do a little research out of curiosity or making somebody who knew that poet smile. But there wasn't a personal advantage in mentioning that sentence. To clarify, it wouldn't have resulted in the classical “string”, the drum sound typical of a joke, it wouldn't have “increased the score” to say in a brutally reductive way.

Daniele Luttazzi:

Dear Tyuuen, I excuse myself then if with my answer I made you misunderstand. My american correspondence is with authors of comedy tv shows. With them I exchange ideas and jokes. I've never said that I did it with Philips though, neither do I know what the americans do with my jokes, even though Jay Leno says every once in a while ( and this is a great pleasure, obviously ). When Benigni, the last month, resumed my Bindi/Bondi joke, to those who notified me about it I answered: -He might have found it deserving of his own geniality. -The art of comedy is the comedy of art: we are all midgets on the shoulders of giants.

The matter of Bonolis, though, is different and it didn't involve the paternity of the joke ( which is by Carlin ) but the fact that Bonolis told it in tv two days after having heard it from me in a theater, like he himself did admit. The funny paradox is that I used Carlin's joke as an example of generic jokes which tv doesn't allow and I closed saying: -The sad thing is that of the whole political monologue of this evening, this fly's fart joke will be the only joke which you are going to remember.- And here was the laugh I wanted, on a joke which make a satirical comment on the preferences of the public. End of proof: from the whole 2-hour monologue about Berlusconi, Bonolis took that joke!

The treasure hunt is useful for me for legal defense reasons: they close your show or they say that you are vulgar, you demonstrate that the examples referenced come from the antique and modern satirical tradition. An old trick by Lenny Bruce, then later one re-used by Hicks. If I'd admit the source in an explicit way, the whole strategy wouldn't work. ( Even Hicks takes topics and jokes from Bruce, just like Carlin ( the OMNIA opera by Carlin is practically a long variation on Bruce's monologue “SEMANTIC” ); Bruce re-did identically Joe Ancis; Woody Allen re-does Mort Sahl and Groucho Marx; Robin Williams is so full of quotations that many comedians do not perform when he's in the room, because they're sure that he will take their jokes in his way maybe to Letterman! I also was the first one in Italy to talk about Hicks and Carlin, in an interview on Radio2 at the time of Barracuda. And I quoted some jokes that then landed in the treasure hunt. )

Consider that in art it's always the HOW which makes the difference. A comedian accused publicly the great Eddie Foy because Foy told one of his jokes. Foy answered:-Yes, but I told it better - Meaning: in art originality has its value, but an equally important value has improvement.

The treasure hunt offers me exactly this: a scientific study on variation. It's not really the topic of a joke that makes peole laugh, but the technique. This is the reason why, when a journalist reproduces a joke by paraphrasing, the joke doesn't make you laugh, maybe smile. And here comes my study: I demonstrated on many rounds that, like the same sentence becomes a joke if you change the context or the how or the intention, so that a joke gets new effects and/or meaning by changing those elements, or by removing an adverb, or by shifting a comma, or by choosing a term over another. The possibilities are endless. If I can obtain an interesting mutation ( more laugher and/or different meaning ) with just a small change, then for me it's a great result. But I have to try it in front of an audience. You have noticed some aspects of these poor research of mine which have lasted already twenty years. I hope that I've been able to give you the general picture.

There's more: in my lesson about Woody Allen's comedy ( it's on the blog as podcast ) I tell about new development from my laboratory: Keaton's visual gag with the cow in “Go west” is, from the comical topology point of view, IDENTICAL to Allen's joke wit the clarinett in “Annie Hall”. Though apparently they are totally different. No research on Google could've make one discover that. There I explain why they are the same joke.

Have fun!

Daniele

Myself:

Dear Daniele,

assuming that I misunderstood the thing about Philips, either way, the treasure hunt topic wasn't metioned by you at the time (we're talking about some years ago) when I wasked you about Philips.
But ok, certainly I misunderstood.

I understand the sense of the joke about the fly, but I also remember well that you complained in the theater saying “now that Bonolis told the joke on tv I cannot tell it anymore, otherwise they'd tell me: “yeah but this joke has been said by Bonolis””. To avoid all this wouldn't it have been much easier to say: “this joke is neither mine or his, but Carlin's”. Problem solved.

Moreover, the goal behind the treasure hunt doesn't convince me entirely. You say that, if you revealed the source, the strategy wouldn't work. Why so? Wouldn't it be way more effective to say: “this joke was written by X or Y” before telling the joke? This way everybody would know that there are other people who told “strong” jokes in other countries where they don't get censored. Moreover, not all the jokes you “quoted” qualify for that goal. For instance, the joke:

"Today a young man on acid, thought he could fly, jumped off a building, what a tragedy." What a dick! If he thought he could fly, why didn't he take off from the ground?

Cannot be used for legal protection or things like that. So you'll tell me that this is a pearl for the fans or another thing like that.

But the main problem I was pointing out in the last email and to which you didn't answer was: a quotation shouldn't bring advantages of any kind (economical, for popularity etc.).

You wrote me that many comedians re-do other comedians. Since I don't know Bruce so well, I cannot answer you on him. But I know perfectly well Allen's and Marx's repertoire (movies, books, tv appearances etc.), and I don't know any joke in common between the two. Well, there is one in fact. The one about the club (“I would never join a club which accepts me as a member”). But then? It didn't occurr to me that Allen takes many jokes by Marx, even though the comedy style is the same. Neither could he, since everybody would notice: they are famous in the same country. About Robin Williams: everybody knows that he plagiarizes. But I don't consider him: he may be a comedian, but surely he's not an Author well known in the scene.

You also wrote me that in art improvement has a value. Now, assuming you told better (and I'm talking about the tone of your voice, since the text is identical) Emo Philips's jokes compared to him, but doesn't the paternity of a joke have a value as well? What stops me from taking many of your jokes which I like and insert them in my monologue and then if you complain, I answer: “yeah, but I told them better and I improved them”. Is it that we're both in Italy? Is it only that? Then you allow all foreign comedians to take your jokes, the important thing is that they vary them a bit (maybe by changing some names), insert them in another monologue and that they tell them better. There's no problem, I suppose. I guess other can as well take the time to change some comma or word, just because the transposition from a language to another imposes it per sé.

Variation is ok, in fact the joke about the crucified christ with an erection resembles a joke by Bruce. But that's ok, the tecnique can be re-used, but let's take the sequence of jokes:

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"Today a young man on acid, thought he could fly, jumped off a building, what a tragedy." What a dick! If he thought he could fly, why didn't he take off from the ground?

Wouldn't you like to see a positive LSD story on the news? To hear what it's all about, perhaps? Wouldn't that be interesting? Just for once?"Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration . that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."

Keith Richards outlived Jim Fixx, the runner and health nut. The plot thickens. You remember Jim Fixx? This human cipher used to write books on jogging. Now, what do you fuckin' write about jogging? 'Right foot, left foot, faster, faster, oh hell, I dunno, go home, shower.' Pretty much covers the jogging experience, I do believe. Then this doofus goes out and has a heart attack and dies.... while jogging. There is a God.

[The joke with Keith Richards' brain, which, when on drugs, makes the sound of "Satisfaction".] That's him on drugs? Give him some more! Let's see what else he pumps out!
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Where's the improvement? It's a 5-minute sequence from a Bill Hicks show which you indetically re-used. Yeah, the joke about Fixx changes a bit because in Italy nobody know who Fixx was and so you need a bit of introduction “Jim Fixx, the inventor of jogging”, but as for the remaining, what changes? These are four jokes in a row, taken all four. The fact that you have mentioned Hicks and Carlin on Radio2 doesn't change much I believe. You never mentioned these names in theater and you never wrote on your book the paternity of the jokes. So, regarding the gain of popularity, in my opinion, there has been a gain! I don't know how many did follow your interview on Radio2, but from what I've seen very few people did know these “quotations”...

Now, if you telle that in your opinion it's all legitimate, then ok. I think we have different opinions on the matter.

Daniele Luttazzi:

Dear Tyuuen, if it helps as thought starting point between comedy passionates I attach you some examples of how authors of USA lateshow exchange jokes and readapt them to current events or to the style of the comedian. On June 19th, Craig Ferguson, says in his show:

Great day for Hillary Clinton. She choose the song for her campaign, a song by Celine Dion. Is it wise choosing a Celine Dion song? She’s a singer best known for doing a song based on a sinking ship.

The evening after, Jay Leno resumes the idea in his own monologue:

Hillary Clinton has picked "You and I” by Celine Dion as her campaign theme song. And in a related story, John McCain’s campaign song is also by Celine Dion — it’s the theme from "Titanic.”
The next example involves Jay Leno and Jon Stewart:

Apparently, Bush referred to the Pope as 'sir' rather than 'your holiness.' And also as 'stretch' and the ... 'Popeinator'" ---Jon Stewart

President Bush was in Rome ... and had a big gaffe at the Vatican. President Bush is in trouble for calling the Pope 'sir' instead of 'your holiness.' Hey, it could have been worse. I'm surprised he didn't call him the 'Popester'" ---Jay Leno

In the tradition of american vaudeville, the variation tecnique on the topic is defined as “ the old switcheroo ”. Three years ago, in my “Bollito misto” I said:

“Al Qaeda claimed the broadcasting of “Domenica in””.

On June 13th of this year Letterman presents again my joke, adapted to the news of the day:

"This just in: al Qaeda is claiming credit for the vague ending of 'The Sopranos.”

Did Letterman plagiarize me? No. He only executed a variation on the topic, by using a comic formula which every expert author knows.

I notice that we have different opinion. But if I thought of claiming paternity for the jokes by Hicks or Carlin or Philips or Seinfeld I would be crazy, since they have been released for years as videos and cds and books. Among fans the are very famous. This is why I'm confident that they will be identified as quotations. It would be like one accused Enrico Rava because in his solos he repeates phrasings by Miles Davis. The fan recognizes the eye blink.

Thanks for the exchange of ideas.

Good day.

D

Final Note

I'd like to thank Luttazzi for the well-mannered answer. I haven't sent any other email because in my opinion it wouldn't have been of much use. In fact, what appeared is a substantial difference of opinions. In this last email Luttazzi answered only partially to what I had asked him. The problem I pointed out in two emails was that a quotation shouldn't make the comedian gain popularity. The fact that Luttazzi writes that he doesn't claim the paternity of those jokes changes almost nothing. That the joke X isn't his own is something I know and he knows, but how many of the italian fans of Luttazzi are conscious that a joke is his or not? We're talking about a very small minority (not even the 0,1%) and even if one knows a joke by Hicks it's not implied that he also knows all those other comedians which Luttazzi “quoted”. The result is that the fan attributes those jokes to Luttazzi: even in his books there's no mentioning of the paternity of a joke. Luttazzi hasn't answered me on Allenx and Marx, but he wrote about Leno, Letterman and Ferguson, which I don't consider to be authors. They host a daily Late Night Show and everybody knows they have their jokes written by someone else. What Luttazzi thinks about Letterman who re-uses one of his jokes is a thing I don't really care about. Either way, at least for me, it's not the same thing of a Woody Allen who takes jokes from others (like Groucho Marx). Moreover, Luttazzi didn't answer me about the “taking his jokes”. If variation is legitimate at these levels then every french or german comedian is authorized to go fishing in Luttazzi's repertoire and put those jokes in their own books. However, I remember what Luttazzi said talking about plagiarism among comedians in theater about the paternity of a work of art like a poem (and a joke is “like a small poem”): “it would be like a poet who wanted to finish his poem with: - e m'illumino d'immenso [famous poem by Giuseppe Ungaretti, ndr]-. No you can't do it!”. What's the difference? In a month of research I have already found at least 40-50 (I haven't counted them) jokes which are identical (yeah right, a comma is different or a word, but the jokes are exactly those). It wasn't difficult, I found them easily. At this point, if these jokes (and the repository where I collect them will continue to grow from time to time) are really legitimate quotations or not, will be decided by the reader. I remain of the idea that it would be totally correct to give the author credit, at least in the books. I maintain the original title of the post: “Daniele Luttazzi Plagiarizes!”, but, if you don't agree, you can read it as “Daniele Luttazzi Quotes!”. About the fact that Luttazzi did lie in my first email, I might have misunderstood, but I remember very well that there was no trace of the “treasure hunt” in that email.

Luttazzi's Plagiariezed Jokes (I Plagi)

2008-01-20T17:05:00.108+01:00

Last update: 16/12/2011
(european date format)

Each plagiarized joke can be found under the paragraph of the comedian who said/wrote them. The plagiarized part of the jokes is in bold.

Nota: solo alcune battute contengono i riferimenti a dove Luttazzi le ha dette/scritte, poiché non è stato fatto dall'inizio. Ma se avete visto gli spettacoli o letto i libri di Luttazzi, riconoscerete la maggior parte di esse.

Il video inchiesta (non realizzato da me) sulla questione e che mostra una piccola parte dei plagi di Luttazzi a confronto cogli originali è scaricabile da torrent:
http://www.torrenthound.com/torrent/a3b789f78851bd9b77134311db5d8b5ac2554775
Metterlo su youtube o altri servizi di streaming non ha molto senso, perché la Krassner (aka Luttazzi) ne richiede prontamente la rimozione.

EMO PHILIPS

People come up to me and say, "Emo, do people really come up to you?"
-> Cosmico, pag. 51

I ran three miles today... finally I said, "Lady, take your purse."
-> Satyricon, pag. 94

I always wanted a beautiful loving wife and she always wanted to be a citizen.

The one with Van Gogh picture donated anonimously to a museum and him who goes to the front deks and says "I'm the anonimous doner and I want it back!".
-> Benvenuti in Italia, pag. 183

(http://www.emophilips.com/video/video/142)
You know when you are in bed at night and your house starts making noises you don't hear during the daytime, like "Emo I'm going to kill you...". Well, I remember that song: [sings a song I don't know]. And I start whispering [makes sound of whisper]. And I feel a hand around my neck and a voice "thanks, I thought I'd never find you in the dark".
-> Benvenuti in Italia, pag.151

I went to grammar school, ya know. I went to grammar school and once we were taking a test and I was copying this other kid's paper, and I guess the teacher heard my xerox machine. She said, "Emo, am I stupid or were you cheating?," and I said, "Ah, yes and no." She sends me to the principal's office and I get there and sit down and he looks at me and says, "Emo, Emo, Emo." I said, "I'm the one in the middle, you drunken slob." [...] He said, "Emo, you'll have to see the school psychologist." And I said, "But why do I have to see the school psychologist?" So he shows me the petition.
And I go to the psychologist and he says: “Emo, what does this ink blot look like to you?” I said “Oh, it's kind of embarassing”. He says: “Emo, everyone sees something so don't be embarassed: tell me what the ink pot looks like to you”, I said: “Well, to me it looks like standard pattern number 3 in the Rorschach serie to test compulsiveness”.
And he gets kind of depressed, I said “Ok, it's a butterfly!” And he cheers up. He says “What does this ink blot look like?”. I say “It's a horrible ugly blob of pure evil that sucks the souls of men into a vortex of sin and degradation”. He said “No, the ink blot over there, this is a photo of my wife you're looking at!” [...]
And he gives me a chocolate Easter bunny and this shows how tricky those guys [scil. psicologi] are. I eat the chocolate bunny and I think "Wait a second. This isn't around Easter. Was this some test?"
He said "Yes"
"Ad what does it mean?"
He said "Well, had you eaten the head first, you'd've been normal; had you eate the feet first, you'd have had an inferiority complex; had you eaten the tail first, you'd have had omosexual tendencies; had you eaten the breasts first, you'd've had a latent Oedipal complex."
I said "Well, go on, what does it mean when you bite off the eyes and you scream Stop staring at me!"
You know, he says "It shows you have a tendency to self-distruction"
I say "What d'you reccomend?"
He says "Go for it!"
-> Satyricon, pag. 93-94, 123

My parents were very protective. I couldn't even cross the street without them getting all excited, and placing bets.
-> Benvenuti in Italia, pag. 151

(this one was adapted to Jugoslavia's internal religious differences, http://www.emophilips.com/video/video/244)
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
-> Satyricon pag. 131-132

(context changes)
I loaned a friend of mine 8000$ for plastic surgery and now I don't know what he looks like.

A guy came over and asked if he could read my gas meter. I said, ‘Whatever happened to the classics?’
-> Adenoidi, pag. 19

The toughest time in everyone's life is when you have to murder a loved one because they're the devil. Other than that tho, it's been a good day.

I discovered my wife in bed with another man and I was crushed. So I said, "Get off of me, you two!"
-> Satyricon, pag. 136

What is eternity? You're on the checkout line at a supermarket. There are seven people in front of you. They are all old. They all have two carts and coupons for every item. They are all paying by check. None of them have ID. It's the checkout girl's first day on the job. She doesn't speak any English. Take away fifteen minutes from that, and you begin to get an idea of what eternity is.
-> Adenoidi, pag. 105

And I go to the psychologist and he says: “Emo, what does this ink blot look like to you?” I said “Oh, it's kind of embarassing”. He says: “Emo, everyone sees something so don't be embarassed: tell me what the ink pot looks like to you”, I said: “Well, to me it looks like standard pattern number 3 in the Rorschach serie to test compulsiveness”.
And he gets kind of depressed, I said “Ok, it's a butterfly!” And he cheers up. He says “What does this ink blot look like?”. I say “It's a horrible ugly blob of pure evil that sucks the souls of men into a vortex of sin and degradation”. He said “No, the ink blot over there, this is a photo of my wife you're looking at!”
-> Adenoidi, pag. 142

The other night my dad took me aside, said: “Emo, I want you to promise to take care of your mother after I'm gone”. I said: “Dad, don't talk like that. I don't wanna have to take care of her”.
-> Satyricon, pag. 124

(http://www.emophilips.com/video/audio/108)
Once I went to the library. I said, "I'd like a book on the Heimlich anti-choking maneuver," and the guy said, "look at the card catalog. I'm busy." So I go to the card catalog. I look under Heimlich and choking and maneuver. It's not any of those places. And I see this first aid book with the section and I take it and that guy said, "It's a reference book. You can't take it out; you have to Xerox it." I said, "Do you have change for a dollar?" He said, "It's not a bank, it's a library." So I go to this souvenir stand and I said, "Do you have change for a dollar?" They said, "It's not a bank, it's a souvenir stand." So I go to this bank, and they said, "Yes, this is a bank." And they give me the change and I come back to it. And by this time there's a line of students Xeroxing their books or whatever and I -- finally I Xerox the Heimlich. As I go back the guy says, "Put it back, now that you've used it." So I put it back. And as I leave, he says, "Thank you." I said, "Well, thank you! I'm never coming to this barn again." And I went back to my car. Now by this time, my sister's almost purple from the chicken bone.
-> Satyricon, pag. 128

I almost didn't make it here. I made a mistake on driving, I'm on second avenue and have to get to 8th avenue and I thought 'What street do I take to get from second to 8th?' Then I remembered Einstein postulating that parallel lines eventually meet. They're dredging the car right now.
-> Satyricon, pag. 72

(http://www.emophilips.com/video/audio/105)
I was in a bar few nights ago, moving from stool to stool trying an' get lucky, but there wasn't gum under any of them. And I heard giggling behind me and at first I don't mind,but the giggling continues. Finally I thought "What's so amusing?" I turn around, these two guys for the last half hour or so have been throwing darts into my head. It's a good thing I heard them! I said "Look you, bums" 'cause I was angry now I said "As soon as this game is over, hit the row"
-> Satyricon, pag. 94 e 122

We go back to her place and she lights some candles and incense. She said “Alright, Emo, you make the next move.” So I sacrificed her poodle to Zarkon, the space god.
-> Satyricon, pag. 127

I used to think that the brain was the most wonderful organ in my body. Then I realized who was telling me this.
-> Benvenuti in Italia, pag. 43

(interviewed by the ONION A.V. CLUB (http://www.avclub.com/articles/emo-philips,13681/))
EP: I've been at a hotel for a week, and I'm the only person here. It's like The Shining. The window opens only four inches to prevent suicide, which is great, unless they cancel Ally McBeal. Then they'll have to make it two inches. It's a nice hotel. They have videos you can rent. I saw Armageddon for the first time.
ONION: What did you think?
EP: If an asteroid is coming toward you, you don't have to blow it up. You just have to slow it down long enough for our country to rotate out of the way.
-> I giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 83

(from the same interview)
ONION: With all that, why return to stand-up now?
EP: I just realized that I loved it, subconscious be damned. I'm going full hog with this thing and having a great time. I've been at this 26 years now: After a while, you get as jaded as the proverbial gynecologist who no longer enjoys drugging and violating his patients. But I tell you, when I do the little comedy clubs, it makes me realize why I got into this racket in the first place: to pick up skanks. But now I can't, 'cause I'm married, so maybe I'll read more Gibbon.

I can't even program my telephone, but those guys are like Keanu Reeves in The Matrix.
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 102

(http://www.emophilips.com/video/video/180)
They always have a sign at the beach, "no glass bottles". I think that's so the other sand particles don't feel like under-achievers.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 126

When I was a kid, my nickname was Mr Baseball. Because of the stitches.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 129

My parents had very strict rules for me. Rules like, I couldn't be home until a certain hour...
-> Satyricon, pag. 124

(Luttazzi says fins instead of harpoon, http://www.emophilips.com/video/video/140)
I was in Jerusalem last year. I felt so embarrassed, you know. I was standing there at the Wailing Wall, like a moron, you know, with my harpoon...
-> Satyricon, pag. 127

(Luttazzi does the same joke about Berlin)
It's great to be here in Pasadena. I've never seen so many coffe shops in my entire life and so little reason to stay awake.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi per prevenire l'acne, pag. 127

We almost didn't have a second date 'cause the first date I didn't open the car door for her... you know, instead I swam up to the surface. You know... women.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi per prevenire l'acne, pag. 129

"I wanna see your parents"
"I'll need a bigger shovel"
-> La castrazione e altri metodi per prevenire l'acne, pag. 129

I was walking down fifth avenue today and I found a wallet, and I was gonna keep it, rather than return it, but I thought: well, if I lost a hundred and fifty dollars, how would I feel? And I realized I would want to be taught a lesson.
-> Barracuda, pag. 181

Don’t wear fur! Did you know a single fur coat takes 14 trees just to make the protest signs?
-> Lepidezze postribolari, postfazione

I've no idea how electricity works; all I know is, it calms me.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 110

Don’t wear fur! Did you know a single fur coat takes 14 trees just to make the protest signs?
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 70

GEORGE CARLIN

(in Luttazzi's version it changes a bit in the examples part)
Here's another question I have. How come when it's us, it's an abortion, and when it's a chicken, it's an omelette? Are we so much better than chickens all of a sudden? When did this happen, that we passed chickens in goodness. Name 6 ways we're better than chickens. See, nobody can do it! You know why? ‘Cause chickens are decent people. You don't see chickens hanging around in drug gangs, do you? No, you don't see a chicken strapping some guy into a chair and hooking up his nuts to a car battery, do you? When's the last chicken you heard about come home from work and beat the shit out of his hen, huh? Doesn't happen, 'cause chickens are decent people.

Religion easily has the best bullshit story of all time. Think about it. Religion has convinced people that there's an invisible man...living in the sky. Who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn't want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer, and burn, and scream, until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you. He loves you and he needs money.

[The entire segment with the sun and the Joe Pesci praying (instead Luttazzi uses Monica Bellucci); Luttazzi puts togheter the sun worshipping joke and the Joe Pesci one]

If there is a god, may he strike this audience dead.

You know how you can tell when a moth farts? When he suddenly flies in a straight line.

(Luttazzi's version is about Berlusconi instead of "americans")
I don't believe there's any problem in this country, no matter how tough it is, that Americans, when they roll up their sleeves, can't completely ignore..

(here Luttazzi says "mass" and not "mess". The joke works as well, maybe even better: it is up to the reader whether to consider this a translation mistake or an improvement over the original joke)
Farts are shit without the mess.

My god has a bigger dick than your god!

Here's a human interest story about man's best friend. It seems that 63 years old James [surname] was asleep last week in his down town motel room. He awekened to the sound of a dog barking. When he awoke the room was full of smoke and he could not see. The dog let him out of the room, down the hall and into an elevator shaft where he plunged eight stories to his death. Seems it wasn't his dog.

(about the hypocrisy of the sanctity of life, the entire speech is practically the same and the following joke is identical)
Look at what we kill! Mosquito and flies because they're pests. Lions and tigers because it's fun. Chickens and pigs, 'cause we're hungry. Pheasants and quales and whales, because it's fun and we're hungry. And people, we kill people, 'cause they're pests! ... And it's fun!

The joke about capital punishment where you can bet about which hole the head (once separated from the body) will roll into starting from a hill.

(Napalm & Silly Putty, Luttazzi uses Elba instead of Kansas)
First group: Violent criminals.Here’s what you do: You take the entire state of Kansas and you move everybody out. You give the people a couple of hundred dollars apiece for their inconvenience, but you get them out. Next you put a 100-foot-high electric fence around the entire state, and Kansas becomes a permanent prison farm for violent criminals. No police, no parole, no supplies; the only thing you give them is lethal weapons and live ammunition. So they can communicate in a meaningful manner.
Then you put the whole thing on cable TV. The Violence Network. VNN. [...]
But this is only for true sex offenders. We’re not going to harass consenting adults who dress up in leather Boy Scout uniforms and smash each other in the head with ball-peen hammers as they take turns blowing their cats. There’s nothing wrong with that; it’s a victimless hobby. And think of how happy the cat must be. No, we’re only going to lock up rapists and molesters; those hopeless romantics who are so full of love they can’t help gettin’ a little of it on you.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 63-4

Did you ever find youself in one of your house rooms and can't rememeber why you are in there?
Have you ever been sitting in a rail road train in a station and there's another train right next to you. And one of them starts to move and you can't tell which one it is.

(about the car sticker)
Baby on board. [...] I'm supposed to alter my driving habits because of some woman forgot to put a diaphram in.

(about the right to joke about everything, e.g.: rape. Luttazzi's joke is about Laurel & Hardy)
Rape can be funny. don't believe me? Picture Elmer Fudd raping Porky Pig.

..it's either 8:15 or Mickey has a hard on!

We're taxiing in and the flight attendant is saying, "Welcome to Los Angeles International Airport." Well, how can someone who's just arriving herself possibly welcome me to a place she hasn't gotten to yet? Doesn't this violate some law of physics? We've been on the ground barely four seconds and she's comin' on like the fucking mayor's wife.

It's physically impossible to sneeze while pissing.
-> Sesso con Luttazzi

Did you ever notice that your own farts smell OK? [sniffs] "Say, that's fairly decent!"

(Luttazzi says "in bed" instead of "in an elevator")
If two people are in an elevator and one person farts, everyone knows who did it.

(1978)
I'd rather have my son watch a film with 2 people making love than 2 people trying to kill one another. I, of course, can agree. It is a great sentence. I wish I knew who said it first. I agree with that but I like to take it a step further. I'd like to substitute the word Fuck for the word Kill in all of those movie cliches we grew up with. "Okay, Sherrif, we're gonna Fuck you now, but we're gonna Fuck you slow."
-> Satyricon, pag. 119

(1997, Brain Droppings, pag. 11)
If they have a salad bar, ask how many times you can go back. If they say as many times as you like, ask for a lawn bag. Come back the next day with a small truck. Tell them you weren't quite finished eating the night before. You're actually within your legal rights, because, technically, no one is ever finished eating.
-> Satyricon, pag. 146

(1997, Brain Droppings, pag. 9)
I mean, I wouldn't order something called a “meat sandwich”, would you? At least not without a couple of follow-up questions: “Does anyone know where this meat came from?” “Are any of the waitress missing?
-> Satyricon, pag. 38

How to Remove Chewing Gum from Your Bush (from The George Carlin Book Club #1: Brain Droppings, pag. 45)
[...]
When will the rethorical questions all end? (from Short Takes #2: Brain droppings, pag. 194) [...]
You are all diseased (pag. 209)
-> I libri della settimana, in Barracuda, pag. 179

(Brain droppings, pag. 91)
When you sneeze, all the numbers in your head go up by one.
-> Barracuda, pag. 53

(Back in Town – G. Carlin, quasi 9 minuti di routine ricuciti in 2 domande di Satyricon)
And you know, in this country, now there are alot of people who want to expand the death penalty to include drug dealers. This is really stupid. Drug dealers aren't afraid to die. They're already killing each other every day on the streets by the hundreds. [...]Death penalty doesn't mean anything unless you use it on people who are afraid to die. Like... the bankers who launder the drug money. The bankers, who launder, the drug money. Forget the dealers, you want to slow down that drug traffic, you got to start executing a few of these fucking bankers. White, middle class Republican bankers.

And I'm not talking about soft, American executions, like lethal injection. I'm talking about fucking crucifixion folks! Let's bring back crucifixions. [...]And I'd go a little further, I'd crucify people upside-down. Like Saint Peter, feet up, head down. And naked. I'd have naked upside-down crucifixions on TV once a week at halftime on the Monday Night Football game! Halftime! Monday Night! The Monday Night Crucifixions! You'd have people tuning in, don't even care about Football! Wouldn't you like to hear Dan Dierdorf explain why the nails have to go in at a certain angle? And I'll guarantee you one thing. You start execut- you start nailing one white banker per week to a big wooden cross, you're going to see that drug traffic begin to slow down pretty fucking quick. Pretty fucking quick- you won't even be able to buy drugs in schools and prisons anymore!
What we really need is year-round capital punishment on TV every night with sponsors. Gotta have sponsors. I'm sure as long as we're killing people Marlboro Cigarettes and Dow Chemical would be proud to participate! Proud to participate! Balance the stupid fucking budget!! [...] Not only- not only do I recommend crucifixions, I'd be in favor of bringing back beheadings!! Huh? Beheadings on TV, slow-motion, instant replay? And maybe you could let the heads roll down a little hill. And fall into one of five numbered holes. Let the people at home gamble on which hole the head is going to fall into. [...] You want something a little more delicate, we'll do the beheadings with an olive fork. That would be nice. And it would take a good God damn long time. There's a lot of good things we could be doing. [...] Boiling people in oil. Sponsor: Crisco! [...] Here's something really nice you could do. You shoot a guy out of a high-speed catapult... right into a brick wall!! Trouble is, it would be over too quick. No good for TV, you know? You'd have to do a whole bunch of guys right in a row. Rapid-fire capital punishment. Fifteen catapults, while you're shooting off one, you're loading up the others. 'Course every now and then you would have to stop to clean off the wall. Cleanliness... right next to Godliness. Alright hi-tech. I sense some of yous are waiting for hi-tech. I got it. You take a small, tactical nuclear weapon... and stick it up a guy's ass! A thermo-nuclear suppository! Preparation H-Bomb! You talk about fallout, huh?
-> Satyricon, pag. 107-8

(Back In Town 1996)
Question. You ever have to fart on a bus, or an airplane, or some sort of public place... but you hadn't been farting all that day. So you didn't really know... the nature... of the beast. You only knew there was lots of it.
In a situation like that, what you have to do... is to release... a TEST FART. You have to arrange to release, quietly and in a carefully controlled manner, about ten to fifteen percent of the total fart. In order to determine if those around you can handle it! Or, or if in fact, you may be about to precipitate a public health emergency.
When releasing a test fart, it is often good to engage in an act of subterfuge such as reaching for a magazine. "Say!! Is that GOLF DIGEST?!" *fart* "Well, this doesn't smell too horrifying. In fact, in an odd way, it's rather pleasant. I think they ought to enjoy the rest of this baby." *faaart*
And it turns out to be one of those farts that would strip the varnish off a Foot Locker. [...]
-> Satyricon, pag. 155

(Brain droppings, pag. 195)
Recently, in a public bathroom, I used the handicapped stall. As i emerged, a man wheelchair asked me indignantly, “Are you handicapped?” Gathering all my aplomb, I looked him in the eye and said, “Not now. But I was before I went there.”
-> Barracuda, pag. 21-22

(Carlin, Napalm & Silly Putty, 2001, pag. 140) (same joke about Enrico Mentana)
If you listen to his voice carefully without looking at the screen, Ted Koppel sounds like he's taking a shit
-> Benvenuti in Italia, pag. 40

(Carlin, Napalm & Silly Putty, 2001, pag. 261) (The person who wonders is Berlusconi after the 9/11 attack)
When a plane crashes, and a lot of people die, I always wonder what happens to their frequent flier miles
-> Benvenuti in Italia, pag. 17

(Parental Advisory, 1990, track 4)
[Real maniacs] Like a guy who gets a big tatoo on his chest of Liza Minelli taking a shit. You know? Then he tells you that if he wriggles in a certain way it looks like she's wipin' her ass.
-> Satyricon, pag. 91

(Brain Droppings, pag. 214)
It's way beyond ironic that a place called the Holy Land is the location of the fiercest, most deeply felt hatred in the world. And it makes for wonderful theater.
-> Satyricon, pag. 39

(Brain droppings, pag. 205)
When you look at some of Picasso's paintings, it makes you wonder what kind of women he visualized when he masturbated.
-> Barracuda, pag. 21

(Class Clown, track 4)
[about Sunday school] They really didn't have any answer. They'd fall back on Well, it's a mystery. Oh thank you, father! A mystery, of course, what's he talking about? A mystery!
-> Castrazione, pag. 73

(Brain Droppings)
During pregnancy, my mother carried me very low. Indeed, for the last six weeks, my feet were sticking out. She was the only woman in the neighborhood who had maternity shoes. But she told me I was a big help when it came to climbing stairs.
-> Barracuda, pag. 22

(Playing with your head, track 4)
here's another way to spice up the game: leave the injuried on the field.
-> Barracuda, pag. 31

(Napalm&Silly Putty)
Ask your dry cleaner if he can remove the stains from one pair of pants and put them in another
-> Castrazione, pag. 131

I’d like to improve auto racing. This is a sport that’s very big in the South; a perfect marriage of fast cars and slow minds. I think if they want to liven up these races, what they ought to do is have one guy driving in the wrong direction. Simple thing: one guy, moving against the traffic. [...] You could also stick three children with rickets in the backseat.
-> Cosmico, pag. 76

(from Brain Droppings)
If lobsters looked like puppies, people could never drop them in boiling water while they're still alive. But instead, they look like science fiction monsters, so it's OK.
-> Giardini, 76

BILL HICKS (died in 1994: cancer)

Not all drugs are good. Some … are great.

I actually did that act one night in the south. Then, after the show, these three rednecks came up to me. "Hey, buddy! We're Christians and we didn't like what you said." I said, "Then forgive me."

And by the way, that 3 month old kid in your belly is not a fucking human being, okay? It's a bunch of little congregated cells. You're not a human … till you're in my phone book.

I'm sorry if anyone here is Catholic. I'm not sorry if you are offended, I'm actually sorry – just the fact that you're Catholic. Gotta be one of the most ludicrous fucking beliefs ever. Like these vampire priests sink their twin fangs of guilt and sin into you as a child and suck your joy of life out of you the rest of your fucking existence.

Wouldn't you like to see a positive LSD story on the news? To hear what it's all about, perhaps? Wouldn't that be interesting? Just for once?
"Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration … that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."

Keith Richards outlived Jim Fixx, the runner and health nut. The plot thickens. You remember Jim Fixx? This human cipher used to write books on jogging. Now, what do you fuckin’ write about jogging? ‘Right foot, left foot, faster, faster, oh hell, I dunno, go home, shower.’ Pretty much covers the jogging experience, I do believe. Then this doofus goes out and has a heart attack and dies.... while jogging. There is a God. ‘Right foot, left foot, hemorrhage.

"Today a young man on acid, thought he could fly, jumped off a building, what a tragedy." What a dick! If he thought he could fly, why didn't he take off from the ground?

This is it, folks. This is the idea which has kept me virtually unknown for the past 16 years. I have watched my crowds dwindle. I am going nowhere, and nowhere quick, but, those of you who have children, I am sorry to tell you this, but they are not special. Wait! I know some of you are going: "What, what?" Let me just clarify: I know you think they're special … ha ha ha! I'm aware of that. I'm just here to tell you that they're not! Ha ha ha ha! Sorry. Did you know that every time a guy comes, he comes two-hundred million sperm? One out of two-hundred million – that load, we're only talking about one load – connected: Gee, what are the fucking odds? Do you know what that means? I've wiped nations off of my chest with a grey gym sock. Entire civilizations have flaked and crusted in the hair around my navel! […] I've tossed universes in my underpants while napping. Boom! A Milkyway shoots into my jockeyshorts: "Unngh … what's for fucking breakfast?!"

[The joke with Keith Richards' brain, which, when on drugs, makes the sound of "Satisfaction".] That's him on drugs? Give him some more! Let's see what else he pumps out!

All this travelling, all this moving from town to town, living out of a suitcase. It's a hard life for anyone to comprehend. It's really going to take one very special woman. Or a lot of average women.

(from Bill's very last stand up act)
I was in Australia during Easter, which was really interesting to know: they celebrate Easter in the exact same way we do. Commemorating the death and resurrection of Jesus by telling our children a giant bunny rabbit left chocolate eggs in the night.

You know we armed Iraq. I wondered about that too, you know. During the Persian Gulf war, those intelligence reports would come out: "Iraq: incredible weapons – incredible weapons." "How do you know that?" "Uh, well … we looked at the receipts."

The Beatles were so fucking high they let Ringo sing a few tunes.

(changes a bit in the ending: the president asks "when do I have to bomb Iraq?")
I have this feeling man, 'cause you know, it's just a handful of people who run everything, you know … that's true, it's provable. It's not … I'm not a fucking conspiracy nut, it's provable. A handful, a very small elite, run and own these corporations, which include the mainstream media. I have this feeling that whoever is elected president, like Clinton was, no matter what you promise on the campaign trail – blah, blah, blah – when you win, you go into this smoke-filled room with the twelve industrialist capitalist scum-fucks who got you in there. And you're in this smoky room, and this little film screen comes down … and a big guy with a cigar goes, "Roll the film." And it's a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before … that looks suspiciously like it's from the grassy knoll. And then the screen goes up and the lights come up, and they go to the new president, "Any questions?" "Er, just what my agenda is." "First we bomb Baghdad." "You got it …"

I finally got my own TV Show coming out as a replacement show this fall!It's a half-hour weekly show that I will host, entitled Let's Hunt and Kill Billy Ray Cyrus.

Not only do I think pot should be legalized, I think it should be mandatory. Think about it, you get in traffic behind somebody. (Makes loud horn noises) “Shut up and smoke that! It’s the law!” (Puff puff) “Oh sorry, I was taking life seriously."

(in Luttazzi's version the joke is about Piazza Fontana and Valpreda)
[the Assassination Museum, about Kennedy's death] it's really accurate, you know, cos Olswald's not in it.
-> Satyricon, pag. 68

You cannot top this shit... unless... they start using terminally ill people as stuntmen in pictures. [...] You know what I think cruel is? Leaving your loved ones to die in some sterile hospital room, surrounded by strangers. Fuck that! Put'em in the movies! What? You want your grandmother dying like a bird in some hospital room? [...] Or do you want her to meet Chuck Norris? [...] “Wow, he kicked her head right off her body. Did you see that? Did you see my Grammy?”
-> Barracuda, pag. 54

(Luttazzi combines these two very close jokes, he just removed the part between { } and replaces it with "there's")
It's not an Adult Feature unless { at the end someone's gooey! }
Women licking up semen like kittens under a cow udder!
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 77

Two of Bill Hicks' routines: Basic Instinct: [...] piece of shit. [...] and then I come to find after that film, that all the lesbian sex scenes, let me repeat that, all... all the lesbian sex scenes were cut out of that film, bcause the test audience was turned off by them. [...] If i had been in that test audience, the only one out front protesting that fil would have been Michael Douglas demanding his part to be put back in, all right? "I swear I was in that movie, I swear I was!" "Gee, Mike, the movie started, Sharon Stone was eating another woman for an hour and a half. Then the credits rolled. [...]" What I'm saying is it'd be a different film if I was the test audience, that's all I'm trying to get at there. Don't try an' talk for me please.
[The followings are part of another routine during another show, still talking about S. Stone etc.] Yeah, you get to see her pussy for one-eighth of a second. I timed it. Don't blink, you might miss the plot. [...] you know there's movies you can rent? Nothing but pussy - did y'all know that? Swear to God, one-eighth of a second of plot, the rest of the film: pussy.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 121

ROBERT SCHIMMEL

The following jokes are taken mostly from "Robert Schimmel Unprotected". A 50 minutes show which Luttazzi plagiarized almost entirely. Some others are from "Guilty as charged".

[at the checkout in a hotel]
A: "...How did you like cock-mongers?"
B: "There must've been a mistake I didn't rent that..."
A: "Oh yeah? Wanna see the video of you jerking off to that movie?"

[the official burial for gold fishes: flushing them down the toilet]
"You can't do that with a dog or a cat.. What if it got stuck and then the plumber came over:
"Yeah, I think I found the problem... You've got a german sheppard in your toilet. .. Can I use your phone for a minute?"

[exactly the same kind of joke but modified, I inserted (exceptionally) this one because what matters for this joke is only the technique, the context doesn't count]
Wife: "Bring him to the vet!"
Schimmel: "Yeah, like I'm going to bring a 5 dollard rabbit to the vet.... .... So, we're at the vet and..."

Wife: "maybe you're suffering from premature ejaculation"
Schimmel: "does it look like I'm suffering? [...] Men don't suffer from premature ejaculation, women do. There is no such thing. When it's time, it's time."
"Baby, I'm gonna cum"
"Wait..."
"No, you hurry up!"

[The joke where you stop a guy from ejaculating by squeezing his cock]
"and he won't have an orgasm... ever again!"
"Squeezing someone's dick when he's gonna cum?? That's like duck tape on somebody's mouth when he's gonna puke! That shit doesn't work!"
"It's gonna find some place else to come out..."
Men: "I'm gonna cum!"
Women: "No, you're not!"
(Squeeze dick)
Women: "Ehy, your nose is running.."

[the woman not wanting to have sex because she feels unattractive]
"I don't feel attractive.."
"well, believe it or not, my dick has a very poor vision, actually, he's legally blind"
[...]
"What guy would think like that? If the woman says "ehy what about a blowjob tonight?" and he: "nah, I'm too fat to blow...""
-> Benvenuti in Italia, pag. 45

"I sat down with my daughter and said: do you know how babies get made?
Daughter: "The lady has an egg inside of her and the man has sperm inside of him and the sperm meets the egg and this is how the lady gets pregnant.."
Schimmel: "Do you know how the sperm meets the egg?"
Daughter: "Does the man pee on the woman?"
Schimmel: "Sometimes, but that's 35 dollars extra..."

[the one about sexual fantasies: Schimmel vs Wife]
"I'd like to fuck your sister.."
"How could I have known that her fantasy was for me to sleep in the car in the driveway that night?"

"I saw a fake vagina that plugs directly into the wall, there's no body connected or anything and I was thinking: "yeah, I'm gonna stick my dick that squirts a liquid into something that's plugged directly into the wall socket"... So, I'm on the floor fucking this thing... and the lights dimm and I almost shit in my pants."
[and the part about the paramedics founding him if he died]

[the one with the vibrator where the woman sticks it in the man's butt first]
Wife: "Here!!! Is this what you wanted to do to me???" (poking the vibrator in Schimmel's butt)
Schimmel: "Take it out of the box first!!"

"I took a shit once and it was black and I know that black means something wrong and I started to panic and I called my dad.
"Dad you're not gonna believe this, I just took a shit and it's black!"
Dad: "Bob, you're not gonna believe this, but I'm on a business meeting and you're on a speaker phone"
-> Benvenuti in Italia (2002), pag. 34

I love my dog but I'm not rubbing cream on his asshole.
- Yeah, d'you like this? does this feel good?
- Yeah... what's next?
-> Benvenuti in Italia, pag. 37

My mom uses herbal bathroom freshener. All it does is making it smell like someone shitted in the woods.

(Luttazzi's joke is about Fabio Fazio and a horse, but it's the same joke)
For 50 million dollars I'd suck Tyson's dick on tv in front of my parents. I would, right on tv, I don't give a shit. [...] How bad can a dick taste for 50 million dollars? You can spend a million on mouthwash and have a really nice life.
-> Benvenuti in Italia, pag. 54

(about water landing with the airplane)
[..] shark eats you, eats the cushion as little fiber and has an A shit the next day

I was with my kids to LA, in one of these nature marine park places who have these billboards all over: "Come see fish in their natural habitat"! And then you get there and they have clowns riding on the back of dolphins and whales jumping through fire hoops. Like this is what you see when you go to the beach!
But she wants to get something to eat, my daughter, and I take her to the snack bar and they serve Filet-O-Fish! What the fuck, what are these, the acts that screw up? [...] "You see your friend Louie on the grill over there? [...] I don't care if you're a fish, get on the bike!

My brother scuba-dives, he goes: “Oh, you know what you do if the shark's bothering you?” Bothering? You need to look in the dictionary, pal! It really bothers when he shears my leg off to the hip. I find it very bothersome to get back to shore with my torso snapped in half. He said: “What you do is to let the shark get up to you and then punch him in the face!” Yeah, now when that doesn't work you poke him in the eye with your stump. Punch a shark! What if he wasn't even gonna attack you? What if he's just curious, he's swimming by and you: Pow pow pow! “Ehi! What the fuck?! What d'you do that for?” “I thought you were gonna attack me!” “I'm going to now. I was gonna let you go, bu the other sharks are watching, it doesn't look good now!”
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 45-46

So my wife wants to get in shape and she signed me up to the gym with her and everybody look so good at this place. You gotta work out some place else before you can go to this place!
[...]
So he goes: “Listen, first you gotta do a little fitness-test, to see where you're at” I say: “I can save you some time right now! 'cause I got a little wheezing filling out the application."
-> Barracuda (ed. Bestsellers Oscar Mondadori, 2000), pag. 22-23

[to a decapitated head) - Hey, ar'you ok?
- I can't feel my legs!
- Don't look down.
Oh, what if your brain lived for a minute after your head came off? [...] - Shit, look at that! Hey, that's my shirt. Fuck, my head's off. This is bad!
-> Bollito misto con mostarda (2005), p. 145

[to his daughter] Here, let daddy show you how to do it. [blowjob]
Breathe with your nose, that's the secret.
Oh, that's pretty fucked up...
The day she blows some guy and he goes: - Hey, great blowjob!
Yeah, my dad showed me how to do it!
-> Benvenuti in Italia (2002), pag. 44
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 42

I was walking over tonight I saw some young couple in the horse-and-carriage riding by. It looks real romantic. It's like 25 bucks, you smell on horse farts for half an hour.
-> Satyricon, pag. 70

[he ate halopinio peppers] The next morning I thought I was shitting battery acid. It burns so bad I came this close to stick a Popsicle up my ass.
-> Benvenuti in Italia, pag. 41

Having sex after a heart-attack (the pills are in my pussy, come and get'em)
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 80

(Schimmel Comes Clean – track 05: Time-Life book)
A guy jumped out of an airplane, chute didn't open, fell 300 feet and lived to tell the story, Well, I wanna heard that story!
- Gnggnngngngngmmmm eeeeeeeeee...
- I've heard about that
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 126

(Unprotected, minute 50:30 ca.)
She [my daughter] goes: “Daddy, can I talk to you for a minute? [...] Daddy, I don't like it in the butt”
“Yeah, you and your mum both”
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 42

JERRY SEINFELD

(SeinLanguage pag. 144, 1993)
Dogs are the leaders of the planet. If you see two life forms, one of them's making a poop, the other one's carrying it for him, who would you assume is in charge?

(about the expiration day of milk)
How do they know that that is the exact day? They don't say it's in the vicinity, roughly etc. They brand it right into the side of the carton. Ever had milk after THE day? Scares the hell out of you, right? The spoon is trembling as it comes out of the bottle... [...] I don't know how they are so definite, though. Maybe the cow tipped them off.

I like hotels. I enjoy tiny soap. I pretend that it's normal soap and my muscles are huge.

(Luttazzi's version is a bit different: it is about perfumed underwear)
I have the underarm deodorant with the cologne smell. Why do you want the smell there? I think once a woman's got her nose in your armpit, the seduction's pretty much over.

It's amazing that the amount of news that happens in the world every day always just exactly fits the newspaper.
-> Tabloid

MORT SAHL

(Luttazzi's joke is between Berlusconi and Rutelli)
Reagan won because he ran against Jimmy Carter. If he ran unopposed he would have lost.

DAN SAVAGE

(quoted from Wikipedia)
Santorum is a sexual neologism proposed by American humorist and sex-advice columnist Dan Savage in 2003 to "memorialize" then US Republican Senator Rick Santorum from Pennsylvania due to the controversy over his statements on homosexuality. Savage asked his readers to submit new definitions for the term; the winning definition was "that frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex."
(The so called "giulianone"!
Luttazzi renamed "Santorum" to "giulianone". Giuliano Ferrara is a pro-life, pro-war, pro-Berlusconi, pro-torture etc. italian journalist.)

(Skipping Towards Gomorrah, 2002)
My proof that homosexuality is not a choice? A question for my straight male readers: Is there anything I could do or say or write that would convince you to willingly, happily, eagerly, anxiously, deliriously, lustfully put my dick in your mouth and leave it there until I had an orgasm? I rest my case.

EDDIE IZZARD

(it's Aunt Sofocle in italian instead of Ted)
So in the christian faith god created Adam in its own image. But 60 million years before that, god created the dinosaurs using the image of his cousin Ted.

[the whole joke (which lasts about 10 minutes) with jesus who enters the dinosaurs pub, every dinosaur stops what he's doing and turns to jesus]
Jesus: I'm Jesus, the son of god... In one religion. I've come to read you the stuff for my father's folk, which I hope we're going to publish soon... It's called the holy "bible" [...]
Jesus: blessed all the meek, for they will inherit the world...
Dinosaur: Roaaar
Jesus: ok, I'll cross that one out... 'cause they won't mind.. What about "blessed all the huge scary monsters for they should doubtlessy inheirt the world, unless something awful happens with the temperature..."
[the dinosaur beheads Jesus, Jesus goes back to his dad with his head under his arm]
Jesus: what a bunch of bastards!!
[god kills the dinosaurs by raising the temperature, god creates the humans and Jesus goes back to earth, he comes back 33 years later]
Jesus: you bastard! They treated me worse than the fuckin' dinosaurs! God damn it, they nailed me [..] for three days!
God: sorr.. I didn't kno..
Jesus: you knew all the time! Opposable thumbs.. you knew they got hammers! God: what happened?
[Jesus tells what he did, the hanging out with fishermen etc. Always talking about the size of their fishes]
Jesus: then the rich came who wanted to get into the kingdom of heaven. I said well it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for the rich to get into heaven.
God: That was pretty surreal of you.
Jesus: Well, I'd been smoking a bit that day... But the rich, they got huge blenders and they put camels into them, and they sprayed them, through very fine jets, through the eyes of needles. So they're all coming up now.
(I'm sorry if I didn't transcribe everything, but it was simply too long)

[the joke with lassie communicating impossible things through barks]
Lassie: bark bark
Guy: A boy? Lost in the desert?

And Steve McQueen is just there in jeans and a T-shirt, disguised as an American man! He romps out, jumps in a motorbike, knocks a guy off, and within 15 minutes, he's in the borders of Switzerland. This is from Poland! And if you don't know the geography, it goes Poland, Czechoslovakia, Holland, Venezuela, Africa, the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and then Switzerland.

[...] because my gran said put a thimble on your finger in case you slip with the needle and the needle goes up into the brain and.. death.

(when only few applaud)
Thank you, two people.

Also, if you're in a restaurant and you're choking to death, you can say the magic words, "Heimlich maneuver." If you're just coughing and got some, you say, "Heimlich maneuver," and all will be well. The trouble is, it's very difficult to say "Heimlich maneuver" when you're choking to death. Yeah.
( mumbling and coughing )
"Your hymen’s been removed?"
"No no. ( more mumbling and coughing )
"You need it removed? Right…"
I don't know how you remove a hymen... But yeah. No, Heimlich maneuver,developed by Dr. Heimlich who woke up one night, obviously, and went,
"A fist, a hand, hoocha hoocha hoocha... lobster! Yes, Hilda! Hilda! Wake up, Hilda!"
"Oh, what is it, Dr. Heimlich?"
"Why are you calling me Dr. Heimlich? I'm you're husband, for fuck's sake! Loosen up, don't be so bloody Prussian."
"Well, what is it, Günther?"
"I have invented a maneuver!"
"What are you, a bloody tank commander now?"
"No! My name is going to be famous in restaurants!"
I don't think he actually did it that way. I don't think it was ( snaps fingers ) a wing and a prayer, I think he must have experimented. He was German, organized.
( German accent ) "Ok, Hans, I want you to swallow this golf ball..."
( choking and coughing ) “I cannot breath."
“I know you cannot breath. I will now make you breath with the cunning use of..." ( muffled shot)
“I still cannot breath."
"Ok, maybe not, maybe this will… ( muffled shot )
“Jesus fucking Christ!”
"Ok, then maybe with a frying pan..." Pow!
( Hans coughing throughout, as Dr Heimlich smacks him )
"Must be a combination. No, ok… "
"Ok, two frying pans… Frying pan in the bollocks… Bollocks stop…
"Frying pan…"
( Hans collapses to thefloor )
"Oh, he's dead."
Other doctors are going,
"How's it coming along, Dr. Heimlich?"
"Well, not very well at the moment. It's not really a maneuver at the moment. It's more of a gesture."

So, stand-up comedy – vocation. You can't just fall into it. There's others, like taxidermist. You can't go, "I was working in a chip shop, then I started stuffing animals with sand."
You've got to want it. "I wanna be a taxidermist! I wanna fill animals with sand. I want to get more sand into an animal than anyone's ever bloody got in an animal. I want to fill a rat with the entire Gobi desert so it's really quite tight."
They should put more things in, sand gets boring.
"Porridge. I'm doing this one with porridge."
B-dum, b-dum. Staple gun.
"Your dog's finished, I filled him with porridge. Thbpth!"
"It's a bit floppy."
"Yeah, that's porridge for you. You've got a two-level effect."
"That's got a nine-level effect."
"I've done your cat - he's with helium."
"It's a bit high up."
"That's helium for you. There's no height restriction. Do you want it here?" Woosh. Pah.
"In fact, grab hold, I've got two controls."
"What? Oh, right, I see. Er."
There's a cat going whoo, whoo. With that fixed expression.

So Noah started to saw up pieces of wood to make the ark.
(Sawing noise)
[...]
And after a while Noah realised he was actually punching a baboon.
Ooh-ooh-ooh!
"Stop hitting me."
Ooh-ooh-ooh!

And so Henry the 8th - who was Sean Connery, for this film: "Well, then I will set up a new religion in this country! I will set up the... Psychotic Bastards Religion!"
And an advisor said: "Why not call it Church of England, Sir?"
"Church of England! That's much better."
-> Benvenuti in Italia, pag. 37

They went to the Moon - Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin... And Neil stepped on the Moon and said, "One small step for man, a giant leap for mankind." Good line but not his line, I don't think… it didn't feel like his line, you know? I bet that was just given to him and he was coming down the steps going, "Small step for man, a giant leap for mankind. Small step for man, a giant leap for mankind. Don't get it wrong, Neil. Don't fuck it up. Here we go. I'M A SMALL MAN WITH A GIANT BIG - shit!... ONE MAN, SMALL GIANT... What was it?"
'Cause you gotta say something! (...) You can't land on the Moon and go: "Fucking hell, I've been in that spacecraft... (stretching noises) Right, I need a piss."
He had a sense of humor, so he should have used it. 'Cause there was that lunar module there – a fixed camera, just fixed, not panning left or right, just stationary. So he could've been there saying, "Hi, people on the Moon. As you can see, the Sea of Tranquility here, there's the mountains in the distance, there's the Earth! There, you're looking back up at yourselves there. Over to my right, I can see A FUCKING MONSTER! THERE'S A MONSTER BEHIND ME! Oh no, help! Get off my leg!" Buzz Aldrin in a monster outfit, Neil doing a close-up: "He's got me, Houston! The monster's got me! He wants cash! He's got my hand up behind my back. I think he knows jiu-jitsu! He wants cash for the release of my life. Send a million... TWO million dollars, leave it in a bag by the Sea of Tranquility. I don't know, the North Shore! What the fucking hell...?" Oh, it would have worked, wouldn't it?
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 61

Pol Pot killed 1.7 million people. We can't even deal with that! You know, we think if somebody kills someone, that's murder, you go to prison. You kill 10 people, you go to Texas, they hit you with a brick - that's what they do. 20 people, you go to a hospital, they look through a small window at you forever. And over that, we can't deal with it, you know? Someone's killed 100,000 people, we're almost going: "Well done! You killed 100,000 people? You must get up very early in the morning. I can't even get down the gym! Your diary must look odd: 'Get up in the morning, death, death, death, death, death, death, death, LUNCH, death, death, death, AFTERNOON TEA, death, death, death, QUICK SHOWER...'
-> Satyricon, pag. 46

I've never actually, in my life, ever seen anyone actually slip on a banana skin in reality (E. Izzard, Definite article)
-> Decameron in tv
-> La Guerra Civile Fredda, pag. 225

(Dressed to Kill – recorded 1998)
We all know one of the main elements of attack the element of surprise. So what could be more surprising than the First Battalion Transvestite Brigade? [...] “Fuck, look at these guys... They've got guns, they've got guns! Jesus, take my gun!” Okay... I was so surprised, were you surprised, I was surprised!
-> Barracuda, pag. 48

But Mars…… It came to visit us. Mars the red planet. It came so close to the earth and if stood out on top of your house with an extended car aerial, and you had a frog on the end of it who had a long tongue who had a stick insect on the end of that and the stick insect was holding one of those tape measures you had, when you would click it off, and you used as a sword, when you were a kid and it kept going poomf, and you and it would go poomf. And you could make it a certain size, and poomf, and if you had all that and you waggled it around, You could almost touch mars, If you were mad!
-> I Giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 31

And then, of course, Leonardo da Vinci, who did the Mona Lisa with the enigmatic smile, which is glum in fact, isn't it? That's glum! Enigmatic's just a big word that's all glum. She's glum, she's… And they X-rayed the painting and there's different earlier versions underneath it. The first version of the Mona Lisa was much more (mimes very big smile). Happy Lisa! The second one was (mimes sexy look) Sexy Lisa! And the last one was Moaner Lisa, "You fucking finished? Have you fucking finished? Fucking - I've been here 15 fucking years…"
But he did other paintings, like he did that guy in the bowler hat with an apple in the face, that's his. And the one of lilies which is all blurry, that blurry lily one. And he did a couple of Pissaros, one or two Lautreqs.
And he also made weapons of war, and pictures of anatomy. And he invented a helicopter that did not work. And so did I! Yeah, did not work! I accept your applause for my crap invention. For it had a lawnmower engine, it was made out of wood and string, and it went under water. My helicopter went under water… on paper. But then the paper would get wet and, you know, a helicopter that just exists on paper - it needs to fly in the air. And I'm trying to make this work as a joke… and it won't.
-> I Giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 32

When British people go there (in Holland), they just go mad, and go, “Fucking ‘ell!” (mimes shooting up, smoking and going generally bonkers)
“How long have you been here, man?”
“A minute!”
-> I Giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 40

Babies taste of chicken! Cannibals say that human flesh tastes of chicken, so babies must taste of chicken. And chicken tastes of humans.
-> I Giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 70

In Holland, they speak four languages, and a lot of them are “quatrilingual” – they speak Dutch, German, French and English. And they smoke dope as well! How do they have time?
-> I Giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 75

(Circle – Jesus in Religions Pt.1)
Yeah, and Johnny Paul was looking for a coming-together, I believe, a sort of, uhh...syn...synergy between the five, the major five religions, being: [counts them off on one hand] Christianity, Judiaism, Islam, RCA, Sony. [pauses] Buddhism and Hinduism.
-> Decameron tv: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNGZeQLRY_0

(Circle)
It was the Renaissance. The Re-Naissance. French for "rebirth". And that's why everything happened slap-bang in F - Italy. But they had a French name. It gave them a certain Je ne sais quoi, a certain savoir faire, a certain détante. A certain... cul-de-sac, a certain... Jacques Chirac. A certain... pomme de terre. A certain vie de la Dordogne.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda (2005), pag. 43

(Circle)
Then he did apologise for the Spanish Inquisition - he said it was far too inquisitive. Supposed to be the Spanish Casual Chat. "Tell me, Don Miguel, tell me of El Diablo." "El Diablo is an exciting character. He is one with the ladies. Why do you wish to know?". "No reason, just a casual chat." But it wasn't. It was, (mimes operating a rack)
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 147

(Circle)
And it's… you know, because the Pope has got stuck in that sort of 'I'm wearing a tent' type thing. And he goes round in a Popemobile, and the only other person who does that is Batman, who goes round in a Batmobile. Cause he's Popeman! (sings) "Popeman! Popeman! With Altar-boy!" "Quick Altar-boy, there are some sinners who need chastisin'. Leap into the Popemo…" (dramatic music impression) "Put those candles out!" (mimes using strange weapon to do this) Pssthou, Pssthou, Pssthou! "With holy water and Jesus disks!" (mimes throwing samurai stars). "Vampires! Look out, Popeman, vampires coming!" (4 more Jesus disks) "You sure shot them out of the sky!" Could be a whole series… with a lot of complaints.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 148

STEVEN WRIGHT

When I was crossing the border into Canada, they asked if I had any firearms with me. I said, "Well, what do you need?"

(adapted to Berlusconi, instead of lawyer he says Berlusconi creates a law)
I busted a mirror and got seven years bad luck, but my lawyer thinks he can get me five.

I think it's wrong that only one company makes the game Monopoly.

If one synchronised swimmer drowns, do all the rest have to drown too?

(in Luttazzi's version the son of Berlusconi is asking this to the father)
Why don't they make the whole plane out of that black box stuff.

If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends?

In my house there's this light switch that doesn't do anything. Every so often I would flick it on and off just to check. Yesterday, I got a call from a woman in Germany. She said, "Cut it out."

I saw a man with a wooden leg, and a real foot.

You can't have everything. Where would you put it?

(Berlusconi to his son)
My uncle once told me when I was five, 'When I was your age, I was six.

(the location changes)
The other day I got on an elevator and this old guy got in with me. I was over near the button, I pushed number four and I said: “Where you going?”. He said: “Phoenix”. So I pushed 'Phoenix'.

Now I'm going to tell you about the girl I'm seeing now. The last week in August we went camping way up in Canada. We were laying around in the woods and stuff, and I don't know how she did it but she got poison ivy on her brain. And the only way she can scratch it is if she thinks about sandpaper.

I was walking through the desert and a UFO landed, these little 1 inch tall guys got out and came over next to me. I said: "Are you really that small?" They said: "No, we're just really very far away".

There was a power outage at a department store yesterday. Twenty people were trapped on the escalators.

I had a friend who was a clown. When he died, all his friends went to the funeral in one car.

(after repeating a joke)
Just checking.

Last summer I drove cross-country with a friend of mine, we split the driving, we switched every half a mile. The all way across we only had one cassette tape to listen to. I can’t remember what it was.
-> Capolavori, pag. 125-6

I said: “D’you live around here often?” She said “You’re wearing two different color socks” I said “Yes, but to me it is the same ‘cause I go by thickness”.
-> Capolavori, pag. 16

Today I dialed a wrong number....The other side said, "Hello?" and I said, "Hello, could I speak to Joey?" They said," Uh, I don't think so...He's only two months old." I said, "I'll wait..."
-> Capolavori, pag. 89

Wondering how my life would’ve been different had I been born one day earlier. Then I’m thinking Maybe’t wouldn’t have been different other than I would ask that question yesterday
-> Capolavori, pag. 109

Jesus pissed off a lot of people, y’know, “Stop changing the water into wine, I’m trying to take a shower!”
-> Capolavori, pag. 153

I went to court for a parking ticket. I pleaded insanity.
-> Satyricon, pag. 98

I like to leave messages before the beep.
-> Barracuda, pag. 57

I got on this chairlift with this guy I didn't know. We went halfway up the mountain without saying a word. Then he turned to me and said, "You know, this is the first time I've gone skiing in ten years." I said, "Why did you take such a long time off?" He said, "I was in prison. Want to know why?" I said, "Not really...Well, okay, you better tell me why." He said, "I pushed a total stranger off a Ferris wheel." I said, "I remember you."
-> Barracuda, pag. 19

I xeroxed a mirror. Now I have an extra xerox machine.
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 28

Every night I go home and I stare at my rug and try to move it using
telekenesis. I've been doing that every night for eight years; the rug hasn't
moved an inch. The rest of the house is gone.
-> Satyricon, pag. 155

I woke up one morning and looked around the room. Something wasn't right. I realized that someone had broken in the night before and replaced everything in my apartment with an exact replica. I couldn't believe it...I got my roommate and showed him. I said, "Look at this--everything's been replaced with an exact replica!" He said, "Do I know you?"
-> Barracuda, pag. 18

My dental hygienist is cute. Every time I visit, I eat a whole package of Oreo cookies while I'm in the waiting room. Sometimes she has to cancel the rest of the afternoon's appointments.
-> Barracuda, pag. 19

It's kind of an insane case ... 6,000 ants dressed up as rice and robbed a Chinese restaurant. I think they're not guilty.
-> Barracuda, pag. 18

When I was a fetus, I used to sneak out at night when my mother was sleeping. I figured I should start stealing stuff while I still had no fingerprints.
-> Capolavori, pag. 99

(I have a pony)
I got up one morning and couldn't find my socks, so I called Information. She said, "Hello, Information." I said, "I can't find my socks." She said, "They're behind the couch." And they were!
-> Satyricon, pag. 72

(about Emilio Fede)
I wrote a few children's books... not on purpose
-> Capolavori, pag. 93

You know that feeling when you're just falling asleep and you feel like you're falling and you wake up? I feel like that all the time.
-> Capolavori, pag. 107

Whenever I pick up hitchikers, I like to wait a few minutes before I say anything to them. Then I say: "Put on your seat belt. I want to try something. I saw it once in a cartoon, but I think I can do it."
-> I giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 80

What should you do if you see an endangered animal eating an endangered plant?
-> I giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 57

(about Berlusconi, but the same in Satyricon)
I busted a mirror and got seven years bad luck, but my lawyer thinks he can get me five.
-> Satyricon, pag. 72

(I have a pony)
I like to pick up hitchhikers. When they get in the car I say, "Put on your seat belt. I want to try something. I saw it once in a cartoon, but I think I can do it."
-> I giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 80

(first found in Just For Laughs, 1987)
I took my dog for a walk, all the way from New York to Florida. I said to him "There, now you're done."
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 108

CHRIS ROCK

Everytime a man's being nice to you [women], he's offering you dick.

It's beautiful that abortion is legal in America. I love going to abortion rallies to pick up women, cause you know they're fuckin'. You ain't gonna find a bunch of virgins at the abortion rally, you might even see some clear heels! [referring to strippers]

(The one about Nelson Mandela getting divorced)
Marriage is so though Nelson Mandela got a divorce. After 27 years of prison etc...

You know what a platonic friend is to a woman? It's like a dick in glass case: in case of emergency break open glass.

One thing I learnt about women. Guys: never ask a woman how many men she slept with. 'Cause you don't wanna know. Just be happy you're fucking her now. [..] Why you wanna know? First off, no matter what she says, it's too much for you. She can go "two" and you'll be like: "two?? TWO?? I guess it's how you was raised".
Women will lie. [...] If she says "three", that's "ten". You know, you have to give every woman a seven dick curve. That's more like 3 dicks at the 8th power.

(changes slightly in the end)
When you were single, nobody was thinking about your ugly ass. [but once you're in a relationship] everybody wants to fuck you. When you were single, nobody was calling your ass up? Now, you're phone ringing up the hook. Crazy, freaky sex calls going: "hey, what you're doing? You know me and my girlfriend have a dick sucking contest and we think you would be a good judge."

You can't cheat, you know why? 'Cause you're gonna get caught. You're gonna get caught. I don't care who you are, you are 007, you are gonna get caught.

(changes slightly in the end)
You know what the crazy shit is? You cheated on your woman. She should trust you no more, but she does, eventually she does. But you know what happens now? Now you don't trust her. You know what happened? You fucked around your woman. You know what happens when you fuck around your woman? You just gave her get some dick free card. And you'll never know when she's gonna cash it in.

Some people are addicted to popping the bubbles in bubble wrap. I know. I had a bad case of it for a while. I would costantly open other people 's packages and pinch the protective plastic. [...] Then one day my habit almost got me killed. I intentionally crashed my car into a tree so I could pop the airbag.

Do you realize that in 1997 some women still don't give head? Ninety-fucking-seven. When I was single and I met a woman who didn't give head, I'd look at her like she was a Betamax. “They still make you?”
When it comes to head, there's three types of women. […] The woman C is my favourite. “Where's that dick? It's got the antidote and I'm gonna get it.”

Dealers don't force drug on people. They don't have to. A drug dealer is not like a door-to-door encyclopedia or vacuum cleaner saleperson. You won't hear a pusher saying: “Man, oh man, how am I gonna get rid of all this crack? It's just piled up in my house […].” Dealers offer drugs. I'm 31 years old and nobody's ever forced anything on me. If a dealer says: “Hey, man, you want some smack?” And I say: “No.” That's it.

The government hates rap. You know why I say that? 'Cause they don't arrest anybody that kills rappers. They don't got no clues, no suspects, they don't have shit when there's a dead rapper. [...] If you wanna get away with murder, shoot him in the head and put a demo tape in their pocket! [...] "This is a rap killing! Let's go home!"

If Billy Joel, Elton John and David Bowie got shot, they'd have Bruce Springsteen's house surrounded. The government hates rap. And only the good rappers are dead: Biggie Smalls, Tupac [...] You wanna tell me they can find Saddam Houssein in a fuckin' hole, but you can't tell me who shot tupac [...] in Vegas?

Men are full of shit. We have women we'll fuck but we won't take out! That's mean, right? Women are just as mean. You've got men you let take you out... but you won't fuck.

(Never Scared, 2004: about G.W. Bush and the Iraq War)
Man, you couldn't take over Baltimore in two weeks.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda 2005, pag. 20

(Never Scared)
It's like the guy came in the studio, shot Jay, recorded an album, then left.
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 55

(on J. Leno's Show, Feb '01)
Is there any way to look more guilty than hiring Johnnie Cochran[represented O.J. and many others]?
-> Capolavori, 115

SCHECKY GREEN

(about Francesco Storace a fascist italian politician)
I'm working with Frank Sinatra... Frank Sinatra, who saved my life! In 1967 in front of the Fontainebleau Hotel, Miami Beach, Florida, five guys were beating me up and I hear Frank say, "that's enough."

LINDA SMITH

If God wanted us to believe in him, he’d exist.

LEWIS BLACK

We have to pay taxes whether we like it or not. You see, we live in a community and together we have to pay for things like roads, bridges and schools [... and airport security (Black)]. And we have to pay people to do these jobs for us, otherwise we're gonna have to do them ourselves. I don't want to be woke up in the middle of the night, hearing some voice saying: "ehy Lewis, come out here! The George Washington Bridge is down! ... And bring a shovel!".

(About the school system.)
Then they open the doors and they let them [the kids] run and run and whoever hits the most trees gets an A.

There's no such thing as soy milk. It's soy juice. But they couldn't sell soy juice, so they called it soy milk. Because anytime you say soy juice, you actually... start to gag. Know how come I know there's no such thing as soy milk? Because there's no soy titty, is there?

(the names in Italian are: De Gasperi to Berlusconi. From Togliatti to Rutelli)
In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in 12 years, we'll be voting for plants.
-> Satyricon, 2001, pag. 24

You ever read the ingredients in sunblock? I've never seen those words anywhere. You don't even know what you're putting on your face, do you? You go, "Oh no, the sun's out!" It could be zebra cum; you don't know. You may not like that joke, but you don't know.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 56

(International Travel - Rules of Engagement
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3624099322620753867# 3 minutes reproduced almost entirely)
I mean, I fly a lot, and 6 hours on a plane is like... a lot, but 19 is... wrong. […] You wanna know what is like? You can experience going to New Zeland. Very similar. Sit in a chair for 19 hours and take your hands and pressure head as hard as you can. And don't stop. Don't stop! 19 hours […] you pull your hands off and... you fill like in New Zeland.
[…] and it seems to me if you’re going to travel for 19 hours to another country, when you get there, they should have the common courtesy to speak another language.
[…] everybody says New Zeland is beautiful and nobody really knows because after 19 hours on a plane... everything is fucking beautiful. It could have been an ice floe out there with two penguins blowing each other and I would be happy to land and perform for them.
[…] and if they really wanted to be part of the community, they should. jump off their island and push it closer. They should show a little interest.
-> I giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 39-40

(Rules of Engagement, 2003, Luttazzi replaces Martha Stuart with Pamela Anderson)
He took 60,000 $ of his money and he used it to buy an umbrellastand. He bought a 60,000 dollars umbrella stand. [...] Many of us have an umbrella stand and we call it a bathtub. It gotta be made out of something very special. I think it's gotta be made out of Martha Stuart's vagina.
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 22

(on the Daily Show, 19.01.2001, replace Bush with Berlusconi)
Astronomers have discovered two giant new solar systems, and with George W. Bush taking over the Presidency, it's good to know we have options.
-> Capolavori, pag. 155

(Feb '01 on The Daily Show)
A doctor finds that a microchip attached to a woman's spine not only relieves back pain but gives her an orgasm. This is great news. I no longer have to produce orgasms. I just have to give her back pain, [and I can do that every time].
-> La castrazione, pag. 46

DAVE ATTELL

I'm very romantic when I masturbate. I light some candles. Then I try to shoot them out when I'm done. Never invite me to a birthday party.

The vagina is the strongest muscle in the human body. A strong man cam lift things like a couch, but the vagina will make you buy the couch.

I hate traveling, mostly cause my dad used to beat me with a globe.
-> Decameron 2007, 5a

(Skanks for te Memories, track 03)
And then you go home a little early. Then you get that call the next day – you know that call You should have hang out maaaan!
-What happened?
-OOOh! 10 minutes after you left – It's always 10 minutes after you leave, whenever the funshow is on – like the funmobile has a block behind you the whole time, full of strippers and midgets and baloons and... every tipe of fun imaginable. 10 minutes after you left the Dixie chicks broke in and fucked everybody. Even the fat boy with asthma wearing the bubbling tshirt got a handjob - and it's never gonna happen again.
After I heard that I started to cry. Mostly 'cause I sat on my balls. Have you ever done that?
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 134

You know what’s a fun thing to do there? Pack up and get the fuck outa there.
-> I giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 83

Some things are the same wherever you go. Like, if it feels like more than two fingers, it's probably a dick.

You know, men and women are a lot alike in certain situations. Like when they're both on fire - they're exactly alike.
-> Satyricon, absent minded waiter sketch (look under Steve Martin)

She was drunk so I took her back to my place and we did it doggy style, not because we planned it that way, but that's just how she passed out.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 47

If you take off your pants and her first reaction is:
"Oh, look at it! Like a little baby Jesus." Time to buy a porche.
-> Satyricon a teatro, 1h40m50s
[..]
You want some excitement, you want some other language if possible: “Santa Maria! Ohy Poppy! Oh no, oh no, go and let me out, I'll talk” That's good
-> Benvenuti in Italia, pag. 36

(Skanks for te Memories)
I offered a girl a tic tac once and she said, Oh do you think I need one, is it my breath? No! I was just trying to be nice. If I was giong to give you something you need it would be mustache wax and a t shirt that said one cock at a time!
-> Bollito mist con mostarda, pag. 95
-> Decameron, puntata 5, timing 41:50

(Skanks for the memories)
Women have all the power, you know why? 'cause women have all the vaginas.
-> Decameron, puntata 5, timing 6:30

I'm very romantic when I masturbate. I light some candles. Then I try to shoot them out when I'm done. Never invite me to a birthday party.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 149

girls masturbate too.....but they have a different word for it...they call it a long hot bath.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 149

(Skanks for the memories)
Some things are universal wherever you go. Like, if it feels like more than two fingers it's probably a dick.
-> I giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 85

(Skanks for the memories)
So, the Eskimos-- or, as I call them, 'Snow Mexicans'
-> I giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 91

(about Bruxelles)
I was in Dayton, Ohio. You ever been there? Ya? You know what’s a fun thing to do there? Pack up and get the fuck outa there.
-> I giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 83

(about Angelino Alfano, Captain Miserable)
Ever whisper sweet nothings to your girl to cover a fart?
-> Decameron (DVD)

(about Mara Carfagna, Captain Miserable)
I don't know if you saw the picture of Lindsay Lohan passed out with her mouth open, daring us to photoshop our own penises in there.
-> Decameron (DVD)

(Skanks for te Memories)
"What do you think is the most abused drug?
Aspirin. you know why? cuz it works. It does everything-headaches, arthritis...
I think on the bottle of aspirin they just put what Aspirin won't do.
'Aspirin will not bring a hooker back to life. So stop takin it.'
Roll her up in the carpet!”
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 286-7

Everyone masturbates. Everyone, by that I mean humans. Not many animals do. For example the turtle. He does not masturbate. But he is thinking about it. Slowly.

(about Berlusconi, not the earthquake)
I was in hawaii during the earthquake. They had an earthquake there, which is freaky, 'cause you don't expect something like that to happen in hawaii. There's a volcano there, okay? Everybody there thinks the volcano's--the lava is going to fucking kill them, all that kind of stuff. But then for an earthquake to hit with a volcano right there, that's like having a gun to the back of your head at all times and a guy just runs up and kicks you in the balls.

(http://comedians.jokes.com/dave-attell/videos/dave-attell---michael-bolton/ - uploaded on 08.24.1997)
I listened to a Michael Bolton's tape, I had my period.
-> Capolavori, pag. 113

BILL MAHER

(the joke about the hippie girl, Luttazzi tells the joke with him in bed with Naomi Campbell; Naomi isn't hippie but New Age, slight change)
[..] But she was such a hippie and we're in bed and she was.. touching herself all over and I'm form New Jersey.. I didn't know. I said "What gives?". And her answer was so hippie: "Well, when we make love, there's no me and no you; our bodies are like one continuos being.". I said: "Ok, but what about paying some attention to our dick?".

I was brought up Catholic… with a Jewish mind. When we’d go to confession, I’d bring a lawyer in with me. “Bless me Father, for I have sinned… I think you know Mr. Cohen?

The real axis of evil is the genius of our marketing combined with the stupidity of our people.

How stupid are those companies? Their money gets to live in the Caribbean, and they stay in Newark.

Immigrants do jobs Americans don’t want to do. Like parking cars, wiping your grandmother and impregnating Madonna.

I was raised catholic, but I was never molested. And I'm a little insulted.

I always hear women say, "Y'know, married men live longer." Uh, yes, and an indoor cat...also...lives longer. It's a fur-ball with a broken spirit that can only look out on a world it will never enjoy, but it does, technically, live longer.

There are not necessary two sides to every issue. If that were Repubblicans would have an opposition party
-> Decameron in TV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSdhWTnAILQ)

(Bill Maher July 22, 2004 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0407/22/lkl.00.html)
Ladies and gentlemen, on September 11, 2001, America was attacked by a squad of Saudi Arabians working out of Germany, Pakistan, and Afghanistan. And by that I mean we were attacked by Iraq.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 65

Hey, today we got the four of clubs. A guy named Samir al-Aziz, a Ba'ath party bad guy. And we now have the four of clubs, the five of clubs, the five of spades and the seven of diamonds. I don't know what game they're playing at the White House, but today, when it was confirmed that we had the four of clubs, Condoleezza Rice had to take off her blouse."
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 102

Hey, today we got the four of clubs. A guy named Samir al-Aziz, a Ba'ath party bad guy. And we now have the four of clubs, the five of clubs, the five of spades and the seven of diamonds. I don't know what game they're playing at the White House, but today, when it was confirmed that we had the four of clubs, Condoleezza Rice had to take off her blouse."
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 102-3

(Victory begins at home, Luttazzi's version uses Dr. Octupus and the Goblin)
I'm glad hussein is gone, but the Joker is not the Riddler.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda

JEFFREY ROSS

One time it was cool you fixed me up with a chick and that was exciting. She calls me up, she tells me she's an actress in pornos. So I'm: "alright and when are you around?". She says: "Well, I'm working tuesday and wednesday, how about thursday?". I'm like: "how about monday?".

MITCH HEDBERG (DIED IN 2005)

Fish are always eating other fish. If fish could scream, the ocean would be loud as shit

I got my hair highlighted, because I felt some strands were more important than others.

It's very dangerous to wave to people you don't know because what if they don't have a hand? They'll think you're cocky.

I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.

I went to the store and bought eight apples; the clerk said, "Do you want these in a bag?" I said, "Oh, no, man, I juggle."

I don't have a girlfriend. But I do know a woman who'd be mad at me for saying that.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 151

I don't wear a watch because I want my arms to weigh the same.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 55

When you go to a restaurant on the weekends and it's busy they start a waiting list. They start calling out names, they say "Dufrane, party of two. Dufrane, party of two." And if no one answers they'll say their name again. "Dufresne, party of two, Dufresne, party of two." But then if no one answers they'll just go right on to the next name. "Bush, party of three." Yeah, but what happened to the Dufresnes? No one seems to give a fuck. Who can eat at a time like this - people are missing. You fuckers are selfish... the Dufresnes are in someone's trunk right now, with duct tape over their mouths. And they're hungry! That's a double whammy. We need help. Bush, search party of three! You can eat when you find the Dufresnes.
-> I giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 51

Bears can be mean, but frogs are always cool. Never has there been a frog hopping toward me, and I thought: "Man, here comes that frog... I'd better play dead."
-> I giardini dell'epistassi, pag 80.

My lucky number is four billion. That doesn't come in real handy when you're gambling. "Come on, four billion! Darn! Seven. Not even close. I need more dice."
-> I giardini dell'epistassi, Las Vegas

I think Pringles' initial intention was to make tennis balls. But on the day that the rubber was supposed to show up, a big truckload of potatoes arrived. But Pringles was a laid-back company. They said "F**k it. Cut 'em up."
-> Lepidezze postribolari 2007, pag. 97

I had my palm read. I wrote something on it first to see if she would read that too.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 95

This is what my friend said to me; he said, "Guess what I like? Mashed potatoes." It's like,"Dude. you gotta give me time to guess.”
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 93

(Mitch Hedberg's CC Special)
I think Visine is only used by potheads. Who else buy Visine? I buy Visine I don't wanna people to know that I have been swimming.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda

CHEVY CHASE

The Post Office commemorates prostitution: the stamp costs ten cents, but if you want to lick it, it'll cost a quarter.

JACK HANDEY

When you're riding in a time machine way far into the future, don't stick your elbow out the window, or it 'll turn into a fossil.

(http://www.deepthoughtsbyjackhandey.com/media.asp?file=045)
One day, one of my little nephews came up to me and asked me if the equator was a real line that went around the Earth, or just an imaginary one. I had to laugh. Laugh and laugh. Because I didn’t know, and I thought that maybe by laughing he would forget what he asked me.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 115

(SNL: googlebook Fuzzy Memories, 1996)
Mom always told me I could be whatever I wanted to be when I grew up, 'within reason.' When I asked her what she meant by 'within reason,' she said, 'You ask a lot of questions for a garbage man.'
-> Barracuda, pag. 14
-> Benvenuti in Italia, pag. 151
-> Monologo Barracuda

(http://snltranscripts.jt.org/95/95cfuzzy.phtml; present in the book Fuzzy Memories, 1996 – first joke)
I think the best Thanksgiving we ever had was one when we didn't even have a turkey. Mom and Dad sat us kids down, and explained that business hadn't been good at Dad's store. So we couldn't afford a turkey. We had vegetables and bread and pie, and it was just fine.
Later, I went into Mom and Dad's bedroom to thank them, and I caught them eating a little turkey. I guess that wasn't really the best Thanksgiving.
-> Barracuda, pag. 15

(Fuzzy Memories – second joke, Luttazzi's joke continues)
When we would go for a drive in the family car, I used to love to stick my head out of the window, until one time we passed an oncoming car and my head knocked off a dog's head.
-> Barracuda, pag. 14-15

(What I’d Say to the Martians, 161-3; Broadcast Feb. 16, 1991)
HAPPY FUN BALL
(Three exuberant young people chase a hard rubber ball down a suburban sidewalk. They are having way too much fun. Boing-boing-boing sound effects. Ventures guitar music.)
YOUNG WOMAN(excited) It’s happy!
YOUNG MAN It’s fun!
ALL THREE It’s Happy Fun Ball!
(Super: Happy Fun Ball)
ANNOUNCER
Yes, It’s Happy Fun Ball! The toy sensation that’s sweeping the nation!
(Product shot of Happy Fun Ball. Flashing “$14.95”)
ANNOUNCER
Only fourteen ninety-five, at participating stores! Get one today!
(Super the following warnings as announced:)
ANNOUNCER (more serious) Warning:
Pregnant women, the elderly, and children under ten should avoid prolonged exposure to Happy Fun Ball.
... Caution: Happy Fun Ball may suddenly accelerate to dangerous speeds.
... Happy Fun Ball contains a liquid core, which, if exposed due to rupture, should not be touched, inhaled, or looked at.
... Do not use Happy Fun Ball on concrete.
... Discontinue use of Happy Fun Ball if any of the following occurs:
• Itching
• Vertigo
• Dizziness
• Tingling in extremities
(Super turns to crawl:) • Loss of balance or coordination
• Slurred speech
• Temporary blindness
• Sudden hair loss
• Chattering teeth
• Heart palpitations
(Super:)
... If Happy Fun Ball begins to smoke, get away immediately. Seek shelter and cover head.
... Happy Fun Ball may stick to certain types of skin.
... When not in use, Happy Fun Ball should be returned to its special container and kept under refrigeration. Failure to do so relieves the makers of Happy Fun Ball, Wacky Products Incorporated, and its parent company, Global Chemical Unlimited, of any and all liability.
... Ingredients of Happy Fun Ball include an unknown glowing substance which fell to Earth, presumably from outer space.
... Happy Fun Ball has been shipped to our troops in Saudi Arabia and is also being dropped by our warplanes in Iraq.
... Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
... Happy Fun Ball comes with a lifetime guarantee.
(happier)
Happy Fun Ball!
(Super: Happy Fun Ball)
... Accept no substitutes!
(Fade)
Happy Fun Ball

(this one is a bit different in italian, but the punchline is the same)
I remember how, in college, I got that part-time job as a circus clown, and how the children would laugh and laugh at me. I vowed, then and there, that I would get revenge.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 12

(Fuzzy memories, replace "Easter eggs" with "khaki" and "dog" with "hamster")
Mom used to make the most beautiful Easter eggs. Then she'd hide them in the backyard. But they were so beautiful, when we found one, we weren't allowed to pick it up. We had to point at it and then mom would come pick it up when her white gloves and put it back in its case.
Someone ended up smashing all those eggs with a hammer. I think it was our dog.
-> Barracuda, pag. 17

(Fuzzy memories)
I don't think I can be hypnotized. This hypnotist tried to hypnotize me one time, but he couldn't. And I tell him that each time I go over to wash his car, which is every Wednesday.
-> Barracuda

DAVID LETTERMAN

This Bin Laden guy is creepy looking. Don't you miss the old days when the only millionaire living in a cave was Batman?

(said by Letterman a lot of time ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpKpF5sBHbw)
If your dog is constipated why screw up a good thing?

(Oct 2000, about Di Pietro and Berlusconi)
Everybody says a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush, so who do you vote for if you want to vote for Nader?
-> Satyricon, pag. 24

(Feb 2001)
Today at that little Chinese restaurant around the corner I had the paper-wrapped chicken. The paper tuned out to be a health code violation notice.
-> I giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 21

(Feb 2001)
The subways are cleaner than ever. Rats, sure, but they're all lined up for their tetanus shots.
-> I giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 20

(June '01)
Mayor Giuliani has outlawed smoking in the parks. It's nice to know you don't have to worry about secondhand smoke while you're being murdered.
-> I giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 14

(Oct 2000)
When I get fired I'm going to do commercials. For enough money I can pretend to like anything — just ask my ex-wife.
-> Satyricon, pag. 96

(July 2002)
There's a new sex abuse scandal with Jehovah's Witnesses. I hope this doesn't make people start avoiding Jehovah's Witnesses.
-> Castrazione, pag. 141

(on Uday and Qusay Hussein's death, July 03)
Did you see the photos of the bodies? I haven't seen a face so distorted and gruesome since Michael Jackson.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 159

DEMETRI MARTIN

I'm scared of sharks, but only in a water situation. If I saw a shark on the street, I'd be like, 'What? Fuck you!' It's like the opposite of how I feel about lions.

I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I’m good at everything.
-> Satyricon, pag. 89

(at least bef. 1 Oct 2005 http://forum.tgbo.net/viewtopic.php?p=26888&sid=2fa964b16f9d38e3a5b07b035a321659#26888)
Canoe+waterfall=I don’t go camping anymore
-> I giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 79 (1st ed. Nov 2005)

RODNEY DANGERFIELD

What a childhood I had. My mother never breast-fed me. She said she liked me as a friend.

('liked' becomes 'thought of')
What a childhood I had. My mother never breast-fed me. She said she liked me as a friend.
-> Benvenuti in Italia, pag.31

Do ya remember the first time you had sex? I do, and boy, was I scared! I was alone!

(Rodney's Act)
I remember the first time I hitch hiked I got beat up. Yeah, I used
the wrong finger.
-> Bollito Misto con Mostarda, pag. 138

DENNIS MILLER

(Referring to the Muslim concept of achieving 72 virgins upon arrival in heaven)
The first half-dozen or so will be nice, but after that, I'm going to want a pro.

JAMIE KENNEDY

I saw one of his (Ron Jeremy) pornos with a girl I was dating once, and she said those words that every man fears: "Now THAT'S a cock!"

WOODY ALLEN

“I have this other one script.”
“If you want me to, I'll read it.”
“Could I come over and read it to you?”
“Come over and read it to me? You must be joking. I've done my own reading since I was forty.”

And suddenly my whole life passed before my eyes. I saw myself as a kid again, in Kansas, going to school, swimming at the swimming hole, and fishing, frying up a mess-o-catfish, going down to the general store, getting a piece of gingham for Emmy-Lou. And I realise it's not my life. They're gonna hang me in two minutes, the wrong life is passing before my eyes.
-> Adenoidi, pag. 14

SARAH SILVERMAN

I didn't lose my virginity until I was twenty-six. Nineteen vaginally.

I understand why the doctor had to spank me when I was born, but I don't see why he had to call me a whore.
-> Barracuda Live (2000), 12m02s

MONTY PYTHON

(from the advertising campaign for the 'Holy Grail')
Makes Ben Hur look like an epic!
-> Adenoidi, pag. 21

BRUCE SHERROD

Deja Fu: The feeling that somehow, somewhere, you've been kicked in the head like this before.
-> DVD Decameron (BO), 2h:20m:15s

CARRIE SNOW

If God was a woman, sperm would taste of chocolate.

STEVE MARTIN

The oscart nominated shortfilm "The Absent-Minded Waiter"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsh47iNVRkM
-> Satyricon 2001 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlf4Akfv8hw)
-> Satyricon, pag. 175-176

(Routine 'hostages': Comedy is not pretty)
punchline: 3 demands: money, getaway car, letter M banned from the English language... If they catch you, you can plead insanity... AHAHAH, getaway car!
-> Satyricon, pag. 111

(Routine Mc Donald's: Comedy is not pretty)
causing fire throwing a match into clerk's hair; everything they do is all one thing: squeak! Hamburger; squeak! Paper boxes. Squeak! Here's your change. “Thank you”
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 113

The public has a short memory and I'm sorry, I hope I haven't offended you; lemme give you a little test: how many people remember a couple of years ago when the Earth blew up? How many people? See: so few people. And you would think something like that people would remember, but no. You don't remember when the Earth blew up? And was completely destroyed? And we escaped to this planet on the Giant Space Ark? Where've you people been? And the government decided not to tell to the stupider people, cause they thought it could affect... AH! Ok
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 11

HARRY YOUNGMAN

What a hotel! The towels were so fluffy I could hardly close my suitcase.
-> Capolavori, pag. 125-6

JIM NORTON

(Luttazzi says "minor" instead of "12yo")
"But shaving my pussy makes me look like a 12 year old!"
... YES!!!

STEWART FRANCIS

I have a girlfriend. I've been going out with my girlfriend for... (pretends to count)... Sex.

TED ALEXANDRO

(15/6/1999 http://www.ericdsnider.com/katz/sissy-boy/)
Have you ever been in church, the preacher is preaching, choir is singing, you look over at the crucifix and you think: "man, Jesus had great abs". [...] Because that's what you want from a savior, you want him to be in shape. 'Cause have you seen Buddha?
-> Satyricon, 11/4/2001

(upped August 12th 2001 at http://comedians.jokes.com/ted-alexandro/videos/ted-alexandro---friends)
[About friend's dreams] You're like It isn't weird at all. It's boring. 'Tis the reason you were asleep during this.
-> Benvenuti in Italia, marzo 2002, pag. 162

And soon we might have a woman President. Instead of declaring war, she’d declare a silent treatment. “Listen, everybody, we’re not talking to Iraq for a week. They know what they’ve done.”

SHEL SILVERSTEIN

My uncle asked, "How old are you?"
I said, "Nine and a half," and then
My uncle puffed out his chest and said,
"When I was your age...I was ten."
(Uncle Shelby's Zoo: Don't Bump the Glump! and Other Fantasies, Simon and Schuster, 1964)

DREW CAREY

You know that look women get when they want sex? Me neither.

KEVIN BRENNAN

(video pubblicato nel Gennaio '99 su http://comedians.jokes.com/kevin-brennan/videos/kevin-brennan---vegetarians)
Well, you know, plants are living things, too. They're just easier to catch.
-> Satyricon a teatro

LARRY MILLER

(http://www.jokeindex.com/joke.asp?Joke=1788)
[...] If you're less than ten years old, you're so excited about aging that you think in fractions. "How old are you?" "I'm four and a half." You're never 36 and a half. [...] Then a strange thing happens. If you make it over 100, you become a little kid again. "I'm 100 and a half."
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 107

I just broke up with someone, and the last thing she said to me was, "You'll never find anybody like me again." And I was thinking: I should hope not. Isn't that why we break up with people? If I don't want you, why would I want somebody just like you? Does anybody end a bad relationship and say, "By the way, do you have a twin?"
-> Satyricon, pag. 21

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piPyfqAKf6o - Luttazzi's version is shorter and differs a bit)
THERE ARE FIVE LEVELS OF DRINKING. SIX IF YOU LIVE
in a trailer park. But never mind that now. We will deal with five. See if these look familiar.
LEVEL ONE
Let’s say it’s eleven o’clock on a weeknight, and you’ve had a few beers. You get up to leave—because you have work the next day— when one of your friends buys another round.
One of your unemployed friends. But here at Level One you think to yourself, “Aw, why not? After
all, as long as I get seven hours’ sleep ...I’m cool.”
LEVEL TWO
Midnight. Had a few more beers. You’ve just spent twenty minutes arguing against artificial turf.
You get up to leave again, and now all your friends say, “Oh, come on, one more . . .” And you say, “Thank you, my good friends, and the Dear’s blessings, but I must away!” And they say, “No, don’t go....”
But you’re a responsible young man starting out in life, and hug them all and say, “We few. We happy few. Goodnight!” And you turn to leave, but ...Suddenly, here at Level Two, a little devil appears on your shoulder. POP! And he whispers in your ear.
And you listen. And that was your mistake. Because once you listen to the devil, you find yourself thinking, “Hey. Wait a minute. I’m out with my friends. That’s important to me. And this is a special night, too. Bobby is celebrating his ...oh, I don’t know, but it’s definitely a special night, though, that’s for sure. Work. Hmmph. What am I workin’ for anyway? They’re trying to
strangle me! These are the good times. Besides ...“As long as I get five hours’ sleep ...I’m cool.”
LEVEL THREE
One in the morning.
You’ve abandoned beer ...for tequila.
You’ve just spent twenty minutes arguing for artificial turf. And now you’re thinking, “Our waitress is the most beautiful girl I’ve ever seen.” See, though, at Level Three, you love the world. You feel
fantastic. On the way to the bathroom, you buy a drink for the stranger at the end of the bar ...just because you like his face. “Hey, buddy. Cheers, man. Whoooooo!” Back at the table, you get drinking fantasies. “Hey, fellas, if we all bought our own bar, we could live together FOREVER.”
Yeah, but at Level Three, that devil ...is a little bit bigger. And he’s got his arm around your shoulder. And he’s buying. And you’re thinking, “Hey, as long as I get three hours’ sleep . . .
and a complete change of blood ...I’m cool. Yeah. No problem. I’ll catch up tomorrow.”
LEVEL FOUR
Two in the morning. And the devil is bartending. He’s locked the door, but he lets you stay, ’cause you’re such old friends.
For last call, you order a bottle of rum ...and a Coke. You are artificial turf. This time on your way to the bathroom, you punch the stranger at the end of the bar, just because ...you don’t like his face. “What’re you lookin’ at, man? ’Cause I’ll kill you. Well, then, make your move, brother. ’Cause I’ll kill you. You don’t see me runnin’, do you? That’s ’cause I’ll kill you.”
After he kills you ...your friends sit you back up with another drink ...And now you’re thinking, “Our waiter is the best looking man I’ve ever seen....” Suddenly, the whole night’s not so much fun anymore, is it? In fact, it’s no fun at all, you just don’t know it yet. (You won’t know it for years.) You and your friends decide to leave... right after you get
thrown out....
And one of you knows an after-hours bar. The devil says he’ll call you a car, and a gypsy cab instantly squeals up the second he hangs up the phone, with flames painted on the sides (but it’s not paint), and driven by a real Gypsy. You don’t even remember coming outside or getting in, but as
you’re roaring downtown, very fast, you look at the driver, and underneath the black hair and the hoop earring and the bandanna and the mustache and the cuffed, paisley shirt ...It’s still the devil. Good driver, though. Fast, but good. And here, at Level Four, you actually think to yourself: “Well ...long as I’m only going to get a few hours’ sleep anyway ...I might
as well . . .” STAY UP ALL NIGHT. Yeah. That’d be good for me. I don’t mind going to that board
meeting looking like Keith Richards. Sure. Few mints and nobody’ll know a thing. My boss loves me in sunglasses.
Besides, as long as I get seventy-five hours’ sleep tomorrow ...I’m cool.
LEVEL FIVE
Five in the morning. Whew. After unsuccessfully trying to get your money back at the tattoo
parlor ...(“Yeah, but I don’t know anyone named Ruby!”) You and your friends wind up across the state line, in a bar filled with guys who’ve been in prison as recently as that morning. It’s the kind of place where even the devil says, “Oh, wow, look at the time, I’ve got to turn in. Well, I’ve got to be in Hell at nine ...gotta open up. This is our busy season. You know how that is . . .
see ya.” Of course, they let you right in, and sit you all at a table in the back that smells ...just about the way it ought to. At this point, you’re all drinking some kind of thick, blue liqueur ...the kind they use to clean combs. “Say, what kind of wine is ‘Barbisol’?” Who knows, maybe it’s Aqua Velva. At least when you throw up, it’ll smell like the great outdoors. A waitress with fresh stitches in her head comes over ...sets down a plate of finger food—made with real fingers—coughs for a
long time, clears her nose by holding a nostril shut ...And you’re thinking, “Someday I’m going to marry that girl.” This time, on your way to the bathroom, the stranger at the end of the bar punches you ...and then returns to making out with his identical twin. The bathroom has rats, but that’s okay, because that’s what the snakes are for. (In a rare moment of wisdom, you decide to hold it in.)
Back at the table, one of your friends suddenly stands up and screams, “We’re driving to Florida!”
And bursts into flames. You ever make one of those trips? Far away, late at night, with six
friends? In a Fiat? I’ll tell you one thing. That ride back ...is mighty quiet. (“Tell the girls we’re Kennedys?”) Back at the Bucket of Blood—its real name—you decide it’s time to leave when a coffin opens, and Dracula sits up and yells “Last call.” You check your watch and notice both hands are running back- wards. You ease off the chair—which follows you—and head to the front door, which keeps getting farther and farther away the closer you get. You finally crawl outside ...and hit the worst part of Level Five:
The sun.
Ooh. You weren’t expecting that, were you? You never do. You walk out of a bar in daylight, and people are on their way to work ...or jogging ...And they look at you ...and they know.
And they say, “Who’s Ruby?” Look, folks, let’s be honest. If you’re nineteen, and you stay up all
night, it’s a victory, it’s like you beat the night. But if you’re over thirty—or forty—or fifty—that sun is like God’s flashlight. And it doesn’t miss much. And we all say the same prayer then. Say it with me now: “I swear. I will never do this again. As long ...as I ...live.”
And some of us have that little addition: “And this time . . .I mean it.”
-> Capolavori, pag. 167-9

STEWART LEE

(Boy George's Autobiography)
Because it's the last taboo that we have in modern society in many ways and I think when heterosexual couples engage in the anal sex act they are stroking a blow against thousands of years of social, sexual, religious conditioning and in many ways it's the most important and impressive act of personal and private revolution against established believe systems that any two people can make. That's what I always say, anyway. Sometimes it works.

EVE ENSLER

(The Vagina Monologues)
Let's just start with the word "vagina." It sounds like an infection at best.
-> Decameron

MARGARET SMITH

My uncle Sammy was an angry man. He had printed on his tombstone:
What are you looking at?"
-> Adenoidi, pag. 12

ARDAL O'HANLON

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0V8Fgt78l8, Luttazzi does this joke about Maria De Filippi)
I feel like I am a dancer trapped in a body of a tree.
-> Capolavori, pag. 33

GEECHY GUY

You should just say no to drugs. That will drive the prices down.
-> Benvenuti in Italia, pag. 154

FRED ALLEN (died in '56)

I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 108

JAY LENO

(at least before 29.3.03, http://forums.jetphotos.net/showthread.php?t=1039)
CNN said that after the war, there is a plan to divide Iraq into three parts ... regular, premium and unleaded.
-> 31.3.03, Roma – cfr. Adenoidi 2003

The military announced this week they're planning to use trained sea lions and seals to guard our ships in the Persian Gulf. That's when you know we don't have any allies, when you have to turn to other species....
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 98

CNN said that after the war, there is a plan to divide Iraq into three parts ... regular, premium and unleaded.
-> Criminoso, 2003, track 1 e Adenoidi 2003, recorded few days after the broadcast of the Jay Leno show

(5 Jan 2001)
After forty years, Woody Allen has stopped going to a psychiatrist. If after forty years you've married your own daughter, you can figure it isn't working.
-> Lepidezze postribolari, 2005, pag. 40

(9 Feb 2001)
Anna Nicole Smith says she and her 90-year-old husband were very passionate in bed. Sometimes she'd bang her head against the headstone.
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 40

(20 apr 2001, replace Jesse Jackson with Silvio Berlusconi)
The Crown Princess of Japan is pregnant at last — another international problem solved by Jesse Jackson.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 96

(20.10.2000, replace Bandleader Kevin Eubanks with Luttazzi himself)
The Kinsey Institute says gay men have bigger sex organs — hence the origin of gay pride. Bandleader Kevin Eubanks: "Gee, I didn't know I was gay."
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 49

(2000)
A study shows men are hit by lightning four times as often as women—usually after saying, 'I'll call you.'
-> Capolavori, pag. 97

(Nov 2000)
Playboy is leaving off 8% of the workforce. That would be the guy who writes the articles.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 117

(4 Feb 2000. Kind of an old joke anyway)
In his State of the Union Address the President was interrupted by applause 119 times. Reminds me of my wedding night.
-> Satyricon, pag. 52
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 63

(28 jan 2000, in Luttazzi's version it's about their break-up)
If Andre Agassi and Steffi Grafreally got married, what was the wedding night like? It's in . It's out. It's in...
-> Satyricon, pag. 56

(Sept 2000)
Campbell's Soup is going back to its old slogan of 'Mmm good.' It's better than, 'When Mom's too drunk to cook.'
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 128

(March 17, 2000, about Playboy's 'tasteful' photos)
You know the difference between porno and tasteful? The donkey.
-> Benvenuti in Italia, pag. 53

(Jan 2001)
A study shows men are 3 times more likely than women to use sex to end a fight. This could revolutionalize boxing.
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 36

Aug 2000)
Pat Buchanan says there's no room in his party for racists and bigots. They're full up. Apply next year.
-> Satyricon, pag. 59
-> Benvenuti in Italia, pag. 40

(Feb '01)
The old billionaire's last mistress died during plastic surgery – or, as they call it in L.A., natural causes.
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 139

(Apr. '01)
It turns out sex can cure hiccups. And, also, hiccups can make sex better.
-> Bollito Misto con Mostarda, pag. 79

(March '01)
In ancient Egypt women used crocodile dung for birth control. Makes you wonder how many other types of dung they tried first.
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 20

(May '01)
Is marijuana a problem in your school?" Fred: - No, there's plenty for everyone.
-> Capolavori, pag. 147

(May '01)
Farenheit was born on this day in 1686. He was an annoying man. It was by asking people what he should do with his invention that he discovered the rectal thermometer.
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 71

(Jul 02)
A man is suing to make the VIP room in a strip club wheelchair accessible. It could be good for business. The other customers see him coming out and say, 'Wow, what do those girls do?'"
-> Giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 20

(Jul 2002)
The Pope has called on teenagers to practice chastity. If it works with them, he's going to try it with priests.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 266

(Sep '02)
To combat noise Madrid has hired mimes to go around shushing people. Who thought you could make mimes even more annoying?
-> I giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 57

(Sept '02)
A priest is being sued for getting a girl pregnant. At least he didn't use birth control. He could have gotten into real trouble with the Church.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 141

(Sept '02)
A guy woke up from a 7-year coma — and immediately lost his job as an airport security guard.
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 51

(Sept '02)
A Romanian man divorced his wife because she spent all their money on vibrators and other sex toys. I get the feeling she won't miss him that much.
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 51

(Sept '02)
A new trend with dating couples is revirgination. They quit having sex until marriage so they can concentrate on other aspects of the relationship. I wonder which member of the couple came up with this idea.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 49

(Sept '02)
Michael Jackson has a third baby, and he says it was conceived in the normal way. Eew. Actually, it may have been put together from Michael's spare parts. Liza Minnelli and her husband have adopted a baby —which can go into therapy with Michael's baby
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 109

(Oct '02, Luttazzi's version is longer: gives more examples)
They may have found the burial box of Jesus' younger brother James. How hard must his life have been? He wins the swim meet, and here comes Jesus walking across the water.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 71

(Dec '02)
'Playboy' is laying off 8% of their workforce. Aren't there guys who'll work for them for free?
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 177

(Nov 02)
Al Qaeda has threatened spectacular attacks on New York and Washington unless we all convert to Islam. Whew, we thought those Jehovah's Witnesses were tough.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 41

(Feb 03)
Saddam Hussein is creating a buffer zone in northern Iraq, which could extend the war by up to seven minutes
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 91

(Mar 03)
Bush says we'll stay in Iraq as long as it takes — the same theory he had about high school.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 99

(Mar 03)
President Bush spent the day on the phone talking to leaders whose names he can't pronounce in countries he didn't know existed.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 98

(Mar 03)
My wife wanted to go someplace expensive over the weekend, so I took her to a Shell station.
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 358

PHYLLIS DILLER

I honestly believe there is absolutely nothing like going to bed with a good book. Or a friend who's read one.
-> Satyricon, pag. 142

FRANK SKINNER

(about Buttiglione)
Never trust an animal that's surprised by its own farts.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 265

CONAN O'BRIEN

A Bush administration official told Congress yesterday that the war in Iraq could cost almost 60 billion dollars. President Bush said he plans to pay for it with a video series called 'Prison Guards Gone Wild.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 160

(March '01)
George W. Bush's speech to Congress was interrupted over eighty times for applause — and five times when he was distracted by shiny objects.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 96

(May 02)
Did you see the clips of that whale that tried to mate with a boat? The Coast Guard said it wasn't the whale's fault. The boat was acting like a whore.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 112

(June '02)
Pavarotti announced he's going to retire in 2005. Or when he weighs 2,005.
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 58

(Aug 2002)
Leonardo di Caprio attacked President Bush for his ecology policies. Bush said, 'I thought he died on the Titanic.'
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 92

(Oct '02)
There's something in the air tonight, and I think it's asbestos.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 192

(Oct '02)
The opening of New York's Museum of Sex has been delayed. The Museum of Foreplay has to open first.
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 12

(Feb '03)
An Australian scientist has invented a bra that keeps a woman's breasts from bouncing. He was taken out back by the other scientists and beaten.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 81

(March '02)
Scientists have reported that the universe is beige — though it sometimes wears black to hide the fact that it's expanding.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 109

CRAIG KILBORN

President Bush is not fazed by other candidates' war records. He said, I may have not fought in Vietnam, but I created one.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 177

(23 July 2002: http://www.psychicastrologer.com/SdeJ/mrdejim/jul02.html)
Whether you're for or against the death penalty, you have to admit it's embarrassing to be killed by a chair.
-> Capolavori, Nov 2002, pag. 121

(Jan 2001)
In Newark, New Jersey, an earthquake caused $1,000,000 in improvements.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 95

(August 9, 2002, replace Van Halen with Beatles)
Experts are afraid if we attack Iraq it may split into several small states that would continue fighting among themselves for years — sort of like what happened with Van Halen.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 162

(Feb 01)
the weirdest thing I ever put in my mouth was my Mom's nipple. I still can't look her in the eyes.
-> La castrazione, pag. 49

(Jan '01)
We began to suspect TWA was in trouble when we noticed the seat flotation devices were coin operated.
-> La castrazione, pag. 123

(March '01)
The Ken doll turned forty today. [He received a tie from Barbie and a deep-tissue massage from his longtime companion Lyle.] Ken says his only problem is, 'I don't have a penis'.
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 91

(Feb '01)
A doctor in North Carolina has come up with an orgasm machine for women. We already have one of those. It's called the ATM.
-> La castrazione, pag. 46

(Aug '02)
The Pope performed a miracle in Mexico. He turned water into drinkable water.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 270

(Sept 02)
The Museum of Sex opened in New York today. Children under 13 must be accompanied by a Catholic priest.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 121

(Jan 03)
A New York restaurant is serving the world's most expensive hamburger, which costs $41. For another $10 you can fly to Africa and eat it in front of a starving villager.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 114

LAURA KIGHTLINGER

I can’t think of anything worse after a night of drinking than waking up next to someone and not being able to remember their name, or how you met, or why they’re dead.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 128

CHRIS MORRIS

(radio joke by Chris Morrison so described, http://forums.chortle.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=72005#72005 , http://forums.chortle.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=192838&sid=f34b76473f39bd0f65f0664d49d9a649 and http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.music.beatles/msg/c2f597a4c6c7f52f?hl=en
This joke has been also subject to controversy in 2005 between Mac Star and the staff of the Have I Got News For You show, when Mac Star claiemd the paternity of the joke: www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/news/2005/05/23/19513.shtml)
Well it's quite visual, so not sure how it would work on radio, but they showed a picture of Hitler saluting (paper) and Churchill's V sign (Scissors) which is why he always won!
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 144

JOHN STEWART

We have it. The smoking gun. The evidence. The potential weapon of mass destruction we have been looking for as our pretext of invading Iraq. There's just one problem - it's in North Korea."
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 96

(kind of a shortened version)
The Saddam statue was pulled down in Baghdad. Clearly, it was a great moment. Jubilant crowd, very heart-warming to see this. There's a lot of work to be done yet, but amongst all that joy, I think we all need to pause and remember something. Somewhere in Iraq is a sculptor who worked very hard on that statue.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 159

(1999)
On DBK Heaters, which ran ads in Asia featuring Adolf Hitler declaring war on cold: The same ad agency also had to scrap plans for a bbq sauce 'hotter than sex with blind kids.'
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 123

(Mar '03)
Osama bin Laden dropped his new album on us yesterday. It showed little growth. I think he's over as an artist
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 91

(about Rumsfeld, Apr '03)
One hawk, "whose views are just a wheelchair away from Dr. Strangelove"
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 169

DAVID CROSS

(It's not funny, 2004)
All my friends are always telling me how hard it is to have kids. 'Oh, David, it's so hard.' That's not hard. I'll tell you what hard is. Try talking your girlfriend into her third consecutive abortion. Yeah, that's hard, that takes finesse. You’re just inconvenienced.
(After having made an abortion joke) I know that can hit close to home for some people....was anyone here aborted?... (mimicking child's voice:) 'I was found in a trash can!' Okay, well, that sorta counts...
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 90

(It's Not Funny (2004), track 09)
US soldiers in Iraq asked to pray for Bush. They may be the ones facing dangers on the battle field but US soldiers in Iraq are being asked to pray for president George Bush. [...] thousands of marines have been given a pamphlet called Christian's duty, a mini-prayer book which includes a tear-out section to be mailed to the White House pledging the soldier who sends it in is been praying for Bush. Not only he have to do it, he have to fuckin' prove it![...] “Aaah! Oh God! Oh no! Must finish prayer... God, please see that president Bush... has the strength to... finish his lobster salad... please, join him with your guidance the courage to cut 14.4 billion dollars out of the veterans budged... aah.. thank you... and now I may die”
-> Bollito misto con mostarda

It's all right tho, I know that looked pretty serious I'm a trained actor, but just as you know the fictional soldier I was protraying was actually killed by friendly fire, so... it's not as bad [...] “Miss Anderson, we have bad news... and good news”
“What?... What is it?”
“I'm afraid your son was shot to death in Iraq”
“Oh my God, it's terrible! What's the good news?”
“Oh, was friendly fire!”
-> Bollito misto con mostarda

GOV. JAMES A. RHODES (DIED IN 2001)

(about Berlusconi)
My opponent has done the work of two men: Laurel and Hardy.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 69

MARY O'HALLORAN

My childhood was so bleak, I wanted to stick my head in my Easy Bake oven.
-> I giardini dell'epistassi, pag. 9

TINA FEY

(SNL)
A Harvard Medical School study has determined that rectal thermometers are still the best way to tell a baby's temperature. Plus, it really teaches the baby who's boss.
-> Capolavori, pag. 149

RICHARD JENI

The Web brings people together because no matter what kind of a twisted sexual mutant you happen to be, you've got millions of pals out there. Type in "Find people that have sex with goats that are on fire" and the computer will say, "Specify type of goat."
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 102
-> http://www.danieleluttazzi.it/?q=node/242

LARRY DAVID

The closest thing to a near-death experience I've ever had was when I masturbated with a 103 degree fever. I floated toward a light, I saw dead relatives, my uncle shouting at me, 'Look at yourself, you're disgusting...'
-> Satyricon

STEVIE RAY FROMSTEIN

(the following next 2 jokes are both from 1992, before the Tamaro trial)
(quoted in The New York Magazine, 1 Feb 1988, pag. 39, available on googlebooks)
Hello, Suzy. I don't know if you remember me. You were at a party on Saturday night. Yeah, do you remember talking to a guy with a blue shirt? Yeah, and then later on in the corner – kind of kissing a little? Yeah, well, I was watching you.
-> Comix 1992
-> Locuste 1994, Nr. 9

(quoted in The New York Magazine, 1 Feb 1988, pag. 39, available on googlebooks)
When I meet someone, I never know when to make that first move. But I gotta tell you, I was in a bar last week. This beautiful woman came up to me, offered to buy me a drink. And the next thing you know, it's her place or mine. We're at her place. She says, 'Excuse me'. She comes back a minute later, totally naked, sits down besides me on the couch. Puts her hand on my knee, starts licking my ear. So I figure, okay, take a chance. Got her phone number.
-> Comix 1992
-> Locuste 1994, Nr. 10

(quoted in The New York Magazine, 1 Feb 1988, pag. 39, available on googlebooks)
And she wanted to see Psycho. I said, no way! I mean, that's a scary film. That shower scene, it's so scary — to this day, I'm afraid to stab a woman in a shower.
-> Locuste 1994, Nr. 17
-> Barracuda, episode 5

(quoted in The New York Magazine, 1 Feb 1988, pag. 36-37, available on googlebooks)
Hi, it's good to be here. I was so excited coming out, I just bumped my head. But don't worry, it's not going to hurt my performance. [Pause.] Hi, it's good to be here. I was so excited coming out, I just bumped my head. But don't worry, it's not going to hurt my performance.
-> Barracuda, live 2000
-> Benvenuti in Italia, pag. 142-3

JENNY WEBER

(the source might not be 100% accurate)
If a man is standing in the middle of the forest speaking and there is no woman around to hear him … is he still wrong?
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 194
-> Rolling Stone

MAUREEN LIPMAN

(1990)
You know the worst thing about oral sex? The view.
-> Barracuda, episode 5 and pag. 83

TOM HERTZ

(The New York Magazine, 19 Jun 1995, pag. 52)
For the unmarried people in the audience, let me explain marriage. Somebody comes to live with you and they never leave.
-> Satyricon, pag. 144
-> Benvenuti in Italia, pag. 184

BOB HOPE

I got a wonderful tribute at the airport. They fired 21 shots in the air in my honour. Of course, it would have been nicer if they'd waited for the plane to land.
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, 2005, pag. 43

JIMMY FALLON

(SNL 8 June 2001, about a movie by Pedro Almodòvar)
Dawson's Creek has edited out a sequence in which James Van Der Beek was the recipient of anal sex. Van Der Beek said, 'They were filming that?'
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 32-33

ADAM FERRARA

(on Comedy Central 9.3.2001)
In the middle of sex this girl had an asthma attack, and I thought I was a god.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 133

(Apr'02, interviewed by Leno)
I don't see myself as a married guy. I still see myself as a pirate.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 75

JONATHAN WINTERS

(2000 interview)
My mother gave all my toys away while I was in the war. She said, 'Well, I'm sorry, but how was I to know you were going to live?'
-> Capolavori, pag. 101

AL FRANKEN

(on Letterman's Show, March 17, 2000)
The first politician I ever endorsed was Pol Pot. A year later I saw The Killing Fieldsand felt like an idiot.
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 35

JON STEWART

(Jul 2003, Luttazzi's version reads the Gospel instead of Bush)
Asked about homosexuality at his press conference Bush said you shouldn't worry about the speck in your neighbor's eye if you have a log in your own. Mr. President, I know you don't hang out with gay people much, but the log doesn't go in the eye.
-> La guerra civile fredda, p. 75

(Feb 01)
NASA lands on an asteroid – unfortunately right in a handicapped zone.
-> Capolavori, 151

(March '01)
Seattle had an earthquake on the one day it wasn't raining.

(O'Brien, March '01)
Big earthquake in Seattle. On one block alone more than 400 Starbucks were destroyed.
-> Castrazione, 120

(Apr '01)
The U.S. is selling weapons to Taiwan, and mainland China says, 'We'll cry all the way to our confiscated spy plane.' The outdated weapons will come in handy if Taiwan is attacked by Thebes or Sparta.
-> Giardini dell'epistassi, 18

(May '01)
Nipples are where God grabs you when you die.
-> Castrazione, p. 49

(Feb '02, Stewart's punchline is a jabline in Luttazzi's version)
His wife works at an animal rescue place: "So at home we now have a dog with two anuses and half a dachshund”
-> Castrazione, p. 49

(March '02 )
There is still one completely pure place, a child's heart. Would you like to buy one?
-> Capolavori, 143

(Apr. 02)
Digging up corpses. When I do it, it's a felony. When archaeologists do it ...
-> Giardini dell'epistassi, p. 32

NIPSEY RUSSEL

(about college studs; DL's version is about Rutelli)
(at least Jul 1967: http://books.google.com/books?id=uLkDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA43&lpg=PA43&dq=nipsey+russell+mold+cheese&source=bl&ots=Chj3QIzT1D&sig=pz6OqQlpAvwY_tmkEmFYRmCn6pU&hl=it&ei=h9s-TuyODM3EswaP6NX2CQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Go to college, see it through, if they can make penicillin out of moldy cheese they can make something out of you!
-> Satyricon, pag. 66

TAMMY PASTORELLI

(on Leno's show, July '03)
They asked me to entertain the troops in Baghdad. I said, 'Don't we have any troops on Maui?
-> Bollito misto con mostarda, pag. 371

GARRY SHANDLING

(on Leno's show, May '01)
The Pope is single too. You don't hear people saying he has commitment problems.
-> Castrazione, pag. 48

ANTHONY CLARK

(on The Daily Show - Dec 2000)
A child is too old to breast feed when he can unhook mommy's bra with one hand.
-> Capolavori, pag. 159

KEVIN NEALON

(on Comedy Central, March '02)
You don't have to swim faster than the shark. You only have to swim faster than the person you're with.
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 219

UNSOURCED

(Luttazzi told it about Berlusconi)
The man is a reverse Midas. Everything he touches turns to shit.

(about Bruno Vespa, Luttazzi's version is told in third person)
Actually Rush (Limbaugh) gave two good excuses why he had Viagra. One was, "I take a 1/2 of viagra each day so I don't pee on my shoes

The immortal composing team of Rodgers and Hart wrote a song in 1933 (made famous by Al Jolson) called "You Are Too Beautiful." The lyrics go: "You are too beautiul/for one man alone/for one lucky fool/to be with." (In his Vegas stage show, kooky Dean Martin revised this to "You are too beautiful/for one man alone/so I brought along/my brother.")

(Reader's Digest, 1967 -
A story popular in Lebanon at the time of its bank crisis last fall tells of a scorpion on the bank of the Nile who asked a frog to ferry him to the other side.)
"Oh no," the frog said. You would sting me."
"That's ridiculous," the scorpion replied, "because then I would drown."
Convinced, the frog took the scorpion on his back and began to swim the river. In midstream, the scorpion's lethal urge became too strong and he plunged his stinger into the frog's neck.
The sinking frog groaned, "Why, why?"
The scorpion gave his final shrug and replied, "This is the Middle East."

Hey baby, can I tickle your belly button from the inside?

(Luttazzi does the same joke about Gianfranco Fini)
-But seriously, you shouldn't make fun of jewish people, my grandfather died in Auschwitz.
-Oh, Im sorry.
-Yeah, he fell from the watch-tower.
(widespread joke, oldest reference: Auschwitz Jokes, Western Folklore,University of California Press, 1983.)
-> Barracuda 1999, pag. 99

"You and your husband don't seem to have an awful lot incommon," said the new tenant's neighbor. "Why on earthdid you get married?"
"I suppose it was the old business of 'opposites attract'," was the reply. "He wasn't pregnant and I was."
-> Adenoidi, 1h4m45s

(2002, The Onion, http://www.theonion.com/articles/pope-forgives-molested-children,101/)
Pope Forgives Molested Children
-> Adenoidi 2003

(Penn Jillette, in a 1995 Compuserve chat - http://www.thejamjar.com/weblog/archives/2003_06.php (qui in un post del 2006))
My favorite thing about the Internet is that you get to go into the private world of real creeps without having to smell them
-> Lepidezze postribolari, pag. 15

(*Wednesday, November 21, 2001 -- Old Man/Young Wife)
An old man was 89-years-old and he wanted to marry a 24 year old girl.
His son told him, "You can't marry a 24-year-old girl."
He said, "Why not?"
The son said, "If you marry a 24-year-old girl, you'll have to have sex with her and that could be fatal!"
The old man thought about it a moment, shrugged his shoulders and said, "Well if she dies, she dies."
-> Benvenuti in Italia, pag. 38

(http://www.theonion.com/articles/last-living-tamagotchi-dies-in-captivity,8690/)
Last Living Tamagotchi Dies In Captivity
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 86

(http://www.theonion.com/articles/bush-on-north-korea-we-must-invade-iraq,11/)
Bush On North Korea: 'We Must Invade Iraq'
-> La castrazione e altri metodi infallibili per prevenire l'acne, pag. 96

Giulietta o Daniele?

2008-01-10T20:20:00.002+01:00

Un mese dopo il mio primo post, dopo che qualcuno aveva già riferito l'esistenza del mio sito a Luttazzi (cosa documentata). Ecco apparire un commento di una certa "giulietta". Al tempo non ci badai molto perché molti fan di Luttazzi mi avevano attaccato con la solita manfrina de "l'arte imita arte".

February 19, 2008 12:13 AM
giulietta said...
Innanzitutto, una battuta funziona per il suo meccanismo: intervenire su testo, contesto e/o interpretazione non è cosa da poco, nè sanno farlo tutti.

Battuta sulla mosca:
Testo: cambiare "falena" con "mosca" e togliere "quando" rende la battuta più efficace, fa più ridere. Contesto: Luttazzi cita quella battuta come PREMESSA per la battuta vera: " Di tutto il monologo, questa è l'unica battuta che vi ricorderete. " E in effetti a teatro il boato è lì. Dopo una premessa su satira e banalità tv. La battuta cioè è un pretesto per dire altro. ( E infatti Bonolis in tv non disse le battute del monologo su Berlusconi, ma questa! Previsione azzeccata. ) Interpretazione: Luttazzi fa ridere coi gesti che SEGUONO la battuta. Dallo spunto di Carlin, ricava alla fine tre risate maggiori. Questo non è irrilevante come pensi. Nell'arte, originalità e miglioramento sono due criteri equipollenti. C'è il valore dell'originale. E quello del miglioramento (esempio "alto": "Giulietta e Romeo" di Shakespeare è il miglioramento definitivo di almeno 50 versioni precedenti della STESSA storia ).

L'arte procede per modifiche successive: la tradizione viene continuamente riscritta. Luttazzi fa quello che hanno fatto Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, Woody Allen, Bill Hicks e TUTTI gli altri prima di lui. Tu non lo sai e così Luttazzi ti sembra strano. Ma è così che funziona.

E quando Luttazzi si incazza, è perchè dicono in tv sue battute senza alcun lavoro su di esse. E' plagio. Bonolis ad esempio non disse la battuta di Carlin, ma riprodusse esattamente il lavoro di Luttazzi dopo averlo visto a teatro una settimana prima. Fra l'altro, nel periodo in cui Luttazzi non poteva andare in tv. Bello, no? Idem gli altri ( Iene, Grillo, Benigni ecc. ) che così gli bruciano il repertorio. Luttazzi non lavora su battute di comici italiani proprio per evitare questo.

Da ultimo: è quanto meno ingeneroso ridurre l'opera omnia di Luttazzi alla riscrittura del lavoro altrui. Una/due battute su 400 pagine zeppe di battute dimostra che Luttazzi non ha bisogno di stratagemmi per scrivere un libro: ma considera la comicità un'arte e vuole mostrarcene i meandri. E' l'idea di fondo della caccia al tesoro. Una pedagogia di cui dovremmo essergli grati, invece di fornire argomenti a chi lo odia per quello che dice, e gli tappa la bocca, e lo infanga, e lo toglie dalla tv.

Il problema non è Luttazzi, siamo noi. Citazione, riscrittura, calco, variazione sul tema sono pratiche legittime. Tutti lo fanno perchè è così che funziona e non può essere altrimenti. Ma qui noi ci concentriamo solo su Luttazzi e finiamo per dare un quadro distorto dell'arte. Siamo bravissimi a notare i riferimenti di Luttazzi a Carlin, Izzard o Lenny Bruce. Ma ci fermiamo qui, invece di fare lo stesso con Carlin ( la cui produzione è in pratica tutta una enorme variazione sul monologo "Semantica" di Lenny Bruce ), con Izzard ( che si riferisce di continuo al suo idolo Michael Palin e ai Monthy Python ) e con Lenny Bruce ( i cui monologhi e la cui tecnica ricalcano quelli di Joe Ancis, un comico che conosco perchè Luttazzi ne parla nell'introduzione al libro di Bruce ). Luttazzi ha una competenza vera sull'argomento, noi no. Le nostre osservazioni sono parziali. O facciamo il lavoro completo ( verifica di tutti i riferimenti oltre il primo grado, prima di incolpare Luttazzi di chissà che ) oppure è meglio evitare la banalità. Non solo perchè risulta dilettantesco, ma soprattutto perchè abbiamo visto in questi giorni come giornalisti senza scrupoli possono distorcere certe informazioni per diffamare Luttazzi. Non mi sembra davvero il caso di fornire altre munizioni a quei bastardi.

Luttazzi si diverte a riscrivere a modo suo la tradizione, migliorandola con modifiche chirurgiche. I grandi fanno così. Mi viene in mente Picasso che rifà Velasquez ( modifiche molto evidenti ) e Braque ( i due quadri sono identici ). Perchè lo fanno? Perchè l'arte si nutre dell'arte. Luttazzi scrive migliaia di battute, non ha bisogno di "copiare". Lo fa per dare indizi sulla materia nobile della satira e testarne le possibilità. Altri hanno fatto il paragone ( giusto ) col jazz. Se un trombettista inserisce una frase di Miles Davis nel suo assolo, solo un profano pensa:-Questa l'ha copiata da Miles Davis! Perchè non l'ha dichiarato?- Il fan invece riconosce la citazione, ne assapora le modifiche, che più sono minime più sono preziose, e gode della strizzatina d'occhio. E' ARTE! Smettetela con queste considerazioni piccolo-borghesi. Quando scoprirete che Mozart "copia" Vivaldi, cosa fate? Vi sparate?

Ntoskrnl (io, insomma) said...
Ehm, ma ti sei bevuta il cervello...? Tralasciando il discorso del piccolo-borghese che mi pare una carta alquanto superficiale da parte tua. Ma poi nessuno ha detto che Luttazzi ha copiato tutto o cose così. Parli della battuta della mosca, sì Luttazzi la inserisce in un contesto (peraltro, uno dei gesti, ovvero quello della mosca che vola dritta col dito fatto in aria è uguale a quello di Carlin), ma altre battute come quelle di Emo non sono in nessunissimo contesto. Specialmente non in un contesto tra banalità e tv ecc. Io non capisco francamente perché Luttazzi può copiare e Bonolis no. Perché Bonolis è meno competente in materia e meno acculturato? Non ho dubbi che lo sia, ma non mi pare una scusa sufficiente. Tutti sono capaci di guardare uno spettacolo di Carlin o di Emo e prenderne alcune battute (e anche di reinserirle in un contesto, badalì che roba complessa...). Io francamente non ho visto battute in comune tra Luttazzi e Lenny Bruce, per carità ci saranno, ma non ne ho viste. Come non ne ho viste di Carlin in comune con Bruce. Mostramele se dici che ci sono tanti riferimenti e stronzate varie. Io ho portato alcune battute di Emo stupende che sono state riusate da Luttazzi, ora mi vieni a dire che ci vuole la grande competenza satirica per riusarle? Ma mi prendi per il culo? Tutti hanno i propri idoli, ma questo non significa che uno copia pari pari una battuta da uno di essi (e il cosiddetto contesto c'è solo per alcune). Emo è famoso in America? Sì, ma non come Luttazzi in Italia. Trovi giusto che qualcuno usi il lavoro di un altro? Benissimo, questa è la tua opinione, ma non venire qui a fare la grande intellettuale e a chiamare piccoli borghesi ('sticazzi che profilo psicologico accurato) persone che nemmeno conosci. Poi ripeto come se Luttazzi non mi avesse mentito per email anni fa sul fatto di aver copiato, cioè almeno leggi l'articolo prima di fare la tua uscitona, no?
Questo post non è la mia missione di vita, è semplicemente un post informativo. Chi è interessato, bene; chi no, amen. Non ci ricavo nulla e non voglio ricavarci niente. Sono disponibile a rispondere a dubbi e domande, ma non di gente che a malapena ha letto ciò che ho scritto. Ma poi chi nega a Luttazzi meriti civili ecc. Sono pure ribaditi nell'articolo. SEMPLICEMENTE SECONDO ME NON E' GIUSTO RIUSARE BATTUTE DI ALTRI (IDENTICHE) SENZA CITARE LE FONTI. Men che mai buttare merda su altri che han fatto uguale e ancora meno mentire sul fatto di essersi ispirati.

Un anno dopo, un anonimo fa sorgere un dubbio.

Anonymous said...
Sbaglierò, ma secondo me Giulietta è Luttazzi.

Ntoskrnl said...
Non ci ho nemmeno pensato. Mi auguro proprio di no, sarebbe il massimo della penosità.

Glad said...
Beh, considerando che l'articolo è di metà gennaio e "giulietta" s'è iscritta/o il febbraio dello stesso anno, giusto prima di scrivere questo commento e che non ha nessun blog personale e nessun'altra attività direi visto le sole 9 visualizzazioni del suo profilo...non aggiungo altro

Anonymous said...
Una difesa dell'operato di Luttazzi così lunga, dotta e accorata è quantomeno sospetta. Chi avrebbe l'interesse e le capacità per buttare giù un testo del genere, se non Luttazzi stesso?

Ntoskrnl said...
Sono un idiota, ha perfettamente ragione l'anonimo (ottima osservazione, davvero). Più che per i motivi citati da Glad e dal fatto che la difesa sia lunga ed accorata, c'è qualcosa di ben più evidente a cui non ho fatto minimamente caso.

Il post è del tutto simile ad una email di Luttazzi (di quelle pubblicate nel post). Ed usa la punteggiatura in un modo assolutamente univoco.

Notare nelle email di Luttazzi:

"da anni organizzo per i fan ( lo spiego sul blog ) una caccia al tesoro."

In 10 anni che sono su internet non ho mai visto usare le parentesi a questa maniera (con gli spazi) e guardacaso anche giulietta le usa allo stesso modo:

"Bello, no? Idem gli altri ( Iene, Grillo, Benigni ecc. ) che così gli bruciano il repertorio. Luttazzi non lavora su battute di comici italiani proprio per evitare questo."

Proprio una coincidenza. E non è finita qui (sennò magari sembro anche paranoico). Riprendiamo il modo di scrivere di Luttazzi:

"Foy replicò:-Sì, ma io l'ho detta meglio.- Ovvero: nell'arte ha un valore l'originalità, ma ne ha uno altrettanto importante il miglioramento."

E quello di giulietta:

"solo un profano pensa:-Questa l'ha copiata da Miles Davis!"

Notare il ":-" che preannuncia una frase o citazione. Molto poco comune anch'esso. Pura coincidenza?

Parliamo delle somiglianze di contenuto:

Luttazzi: "ho dimostrato a più riprese che, come una stessa frase diventa una battuta se ne cambi il contesto o il modo o l'intenzione"

giulietta: "Innanzitutto, una battuta funziona per il suo meccanismo: intervenire su testo, contesto e/o interpretazione non è cosa da poco, nè sanno farlo tutti."

Luttazzi: "E' come se uno accusasse Enrico Rava perchè nei suoi assoli ripete fraseggi di Miles Davis."

giulietta: "Se un trombettista inserisce una frase di Miles Davis nel suo assolo, solo un profano pensa:-Questa l'ha copiata da Miles Davis! Perchè non l'ha dichiarato?"

Anche i fraseggi di Davis mera coincidenza? Stessa argomentazione su variazione del testo, contesto e interepretazione (o anche contesto, modo e intenzione, che dir si voglia). Stessa argomentazione sul valore dell'originalità e del miglioramento. Stessa argomentazione sul senso della battuta di Carlin.

Sarebbe il caso di rileggere alcune affermazioni di "giulietta" alla luce di queste osservazioni:

"L'arte procede per modifiche successive: la tradizione viene continuamente riscritta. Luttazzi fa quello che hanno fatto Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, Woody Allen, Bill Hicks e TUTTI gli altri prima di lui. Tu non lo sai e così Luttazzi ti sembra strano. Ma è così che funziona."

Ma quando mai Woody Allen o Carlin Hicks hanno copiato centinaia di battute?

"Da ultimo: è quanto meno ingeneroso ridurre l'opera omnia di Luttazzi alla riscrittura del lavoro altrui. Una/due battute su 400 pagine zeppe di battute dimostra che Luttazzi non ha bisogno di stratagemmi per scrivere un libro: ma considera la comicità un'arte e vuole mostrarcene i meandri. E' l'idea di fondo della caccia al tesoro. Una pedagogia di cui dovremmo essergli grati, invece di fornire argomenti a chi lo odia per quello che dice, e gli tappa la bocca, e lo infanga, e lo toglie dalla tv."

Sì ok, questa l'ha sparata quando il repository di battute copiate ne conteneva solo 40-50, adesso è alquanto più difficile riaffermare la stessa cosa. Soprattutto considerando che il repertorio "alto" di Luttazzi è tutto copiato.

"Luttazzi ha una competenza vera sull'argomento, noi no. Le nostre osservazioni sono parziali. O facciamo il lavoro completo ( verifica di tutti i riferimenti oltre il primo grado, prima di incolpare Luttazzi di chissà che ) oppure è meglio evitare la banalità. Non solo perchè risulta dilettantesco, ma soprattutto perchè abbiamo visto in questi giorni come giornalisti senza scrupoli possono distorcere certe informazioni per diffamare Luttazzi. Non mi sembra davvero il caso di fornire altre munizioni a quei bastardi."

Questo pezzo sarebbe talmente patetico se l'avesse scritto veramente Luttazzi che persino Bonolis risulterebbe una persona a modo a confronto.

"E' ARTE! Smettetela con queste considerazioni piccolo-borghesi. Quando scoprirete che Mozart "copia" Vivaldi, cosa fate? Vi sparate?"

Ripeto: se l'avesse scritto lui sarebbe veramente imbarazzante. Io proprio per quest'ultima affermazione sulla piccola borghesia ho attribuito il commento ad una liceale pseudo-intellettuale (cosa che peraltro si nota dal modo in cui "le" ho risposto). Ognuno giudichi la faccenda come meglio crede.